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JULY 16, 2018
The Regular Meeting of the City of Dover Planning Commission was held on Monday, July 16,
2018 at 7:00 PM in the City Hall Council Chambers with Chairman Mr. Tolbert presiding.
Members present were Mr. Holden, Mr. Roach, Ms. Edwards, Mr. Holt, Mr. Baldwin, Dr. Jones,
Mrs. Welsh, Ms. Maucher and Mr. Tolbert.
Staff members present were Mr. Dave Hugg, Mrs. Dawn Melson-Williams, Mr. Eddie Diaz and
Mr. Julian Swierczek. Also present was Mr. Willie Alexander. Speaking from the public were
Ms. Bonnie Pennington, Mr. Charles Jackson, Mr. Roy Sudler Jr, Ms. Carmen Hardcastle, Mr.
John Marble, Mr. Vance Thorpe and Mr. Harold Mack.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Dr. Jones moved to approve the agenda as submitted, seconded by Ms. Edwards and the motion
was unanimously carried 9-0.
APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF JUNE 18,
2018
Mr. Holt moved to approve the Planning Commission Meeting minutes of June 18, 2018,
seconded by Mrs. Welsh and the motion was unanimously carried 9-0.
COMMUNICATIONS & REPORTS
Mr. Hugg stated that the Annual Meeting of the Planning Commission which we typically hold
in July that includes the election of the Chairman and Vice Chairman will be scheduled for a
future meeting once the appointment process for Commission members has been completed. He
believes that happens at the next Council meeting.
Mr. Hugg stated that the next Planning Commission regular meeting is scheduled for Monday,
August 20, 2018 at 7:00pm in the City Council Chambers.
Mr. Hugg provided an update on the regular City Council and various Committee meetings held
on June 25 & 26, 2018 and July 9 & 10, 2018.
OPENING REMARKS CONCERNING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS
Mrs. Melson-Williams presented the audience information on policies and procedures for the
meeting.
OLD BUSINESS
1) Requests for Extensions of Planning Commission Approval:
A. S-16-14 Lidl Grocery Store at North DuPont Highway and Kings Highway NE – Request
for a one-year extension of the Planning Commission approval granted on July 18, 2016
of a Site Development Plan application to permit the construction of an approximately
36,185 S.F. retail grocery store and associated site improvements. The project is to
include a Parcel Consolidation Plan to re-subdivide the six parcels on site into three and
abandon the unimproved right-of-way known as Midland Road. Construction would
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involve demolition of all existing buildings on site. The property consists of 6.95 acres
(7.275 acres prior to right-of-way dedication) and is located on a site bounded by North
DuPont Highway, Maple Parkway, and Kings Highway. The property is zoned C-4
(Highway Commercial Zone) and IO (Institutional and Office Zone) with all site
improvements to occur in the C-4 zone. The owners of record are Davis H. Wood, Wells
Fargo Bank NA, and Kings Highway Land Partners, LLC. The equitable owner is Lidl
US Operations, LLC. Property Addresses: 122, 136, 140 and 162 North DuPont Highway
and 321 Kings Highway NE. Tax Parcels: ED-05-068.18-01-20.00-000, ED-05-068.18-
01-21.00-000, ED-05-068.18-01-22.00-000, ED-05-068.18- 01-23.00-000, ED-05-
068.18-01-24.00-000 and ED-05-068.18-01-25.00-000. Council District 2. Approved:
Consideration of Area Subject to Tree Planting Requirement
Representative: None
Dr. Jones moved to approve S-16-14 Lidl Grocery Store at North DuPont Highway and Kings
Highway NE for a one-year extension, seconded by Mr. Baldwin and the motion was
unanimously carried 9-0.
2) Update on Appointment of the Architectural Review Oversight Subcommittee of Planning
Commission (in accordance with Zoning Ordinance, Article 10 §2.28)
Mrs. Melson-Williams stated that Planning Staff is still working with trying to confirm the two
individuals that had previously served on that Subcommittee. Hopefully, they will have
something for the Planning Commission in August one way or another.
NEW APPLICATIONS:
1) C-17-06 Pride of Dover Elks Lodge at 217 North Kirkwood Street – Public Hearing and
Conditional Use Review of Application to allow an existing one-story structure to be utilized
as an annual membership club serving members and their guests. The property consists of
0.15 +/- acres. The property is zoned RG-1 (General Residence Zone). The property is
located on the east side of North Kirkwood Street, between Cecil Street and Mary Street. The
owner of record is Pride of Dover Elks Lodge 1125. Property Address: 217 North Kirkwood
Street. Tax Parcel: ED-05-076.08-05-02-20.00-000. Council District 4.
Representatives: Mr. Willie Alexander, Exalted Ruler of the Pride of Dover Elks Lodge #1125
Mrs. Melson-Williams stated that this is a Conditional Use Application titled Pride of Dover
Elks Lodge for the property located at 217 North Kirkwood Street. This is subject to public
hearing this evening. The request is a Conditional Use Plan to establish an annual membership
club at this location. There is an existing building on the site. This application originally slated in
late 2017 but was first deferred at the request of the applicant and then ultimately has been
scheduled for this evening’s meeting. With the application, they hope to utilize the existing one-
story structure as an annual membership club serving members and their guests specifically for
the Pride of Dover Elks Lodge. The property is zoned RG-1 (General Residence Zone) and is
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located on the east side of North Kirkwood Street between Cecil Street and Mary Street. The site
was identified during a project undertaken by the Planning Office regarding “Non-Conforming
Uses in Residential Districts”. At that point in time, it had been functioning as a Clubhouse under
the appropriate Public Occupancy permits that were necessary; however, it came to the Planning
Department’s attention in December 2015 that there were ultimately some issues at the Lodge. It
came to the attention of the City through information from the State of Delaware Division of
Alcohol and Tobacco Enforcement that there were some issues regarding the liquor license and
the serving of alcohol at the facility. Ultimately, that resulted in the City revoking the ability for
the location to be open as a Clubhouse which then made it a non-conforming use and the City
required that the operations cease; that direction was given in January 2017. The Public
Occupancy permit for the use as a Clubhouse was inactivated and the building has been vacant
since that point in time. This evening, this is considered a new application to establish a use in
that existing structure. By our Zoning Ordinance that use would be an annual membership club
serving members and their guests. That is specifically how the term is listed in the Code. The
applicant submitted a map diagram that highlights the location of the building and there is also
additional information submitted about the surrounding neighborhood in the form of a letter.
Then a packet of information was received that was titled “Pride of Dover Re-opening” that goes
through the activities of the Lodge that they hold, the types of activities that they would hope to
do at this location and some information about how they intend to establish a visitor/guest book
sign in procedure at the facility. The site is in a residential area. The adjacent uses are primarily
one family residences. With this Conditional Use, there are specific considerations that the
Planning Commission must look to such as whether the proposed project is appropriate in the
scale and type for the immediate neighborhood. Our DAC Report details those types of things to
consider when looking at Conditional Uses including things such as accessibility for emergency
response, harmony of location, size and character and looking at when in residential areas, the
nature and intensity of operations. With Conditional Use applications, the action is just with the
Planning Commission. The Commission has the final say from a procedural standpoint. They can
require that the Conditional Use Permit undergo periodic review to ensure that it is meeting the
established conditions that the Commission establishes.
There is no particular parking requirement for annual membership clubs. There is space for one
vehicle onsite. There does not appear to be any bicycle parking on the site; however, there are
sidewalks in this neighborhood including across the frontage. Currently, they have City of Dover
trash collection utilizing the containers that the City can pickup for such a small-scale building.
In the DAC Report, Planning Staff has provided some updates that would be necessary to the
Plan Sheet and all documents would need to reflect any action taken by the Planning
Commission this evening. Those include needing to evaluate the number of trees on the property
which it is required to have three. There may be some existing trees in the back of the property
that can satisfy that requirement. On Page 6 of the DAC Report, the Planning Staff has made a
series of recommendations suggested as conditions of approval for this project in regards to the
Conditional Use. The Planning Office specifically suggests the following conditions for a
Conditional Use permit for the use of the existing building as an annual membership club serving
members and their guests. At this time the Planning Staff is recommending with the re-opening
of the club, not to include the service of alcohol at this time. The service of alcohol requires a
series of improvements for the fire protection systems of the building in order to be able to serve
alcohol under the City’s provisions setting aside any State regulations and procedures related to
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having an alcohol license at the facility. Staff is recommending the re-opening but not to include
the service of alcohol. The other item that Staff is recommending is that if they in the future
would wish to provide the service of alcohol that it be a new application back to this
Commission to expand that Conditional Use permit so that they may deal with the service of
alcohol and the associated activities related to building improvements, management and the
acquisition of any kind of license for that. The additional Staff requirements are that they would
need to adhere to the occupant loads established by the Fire Marshal’s Office. They are
recommending that one bicycle parking space be established so that a bicycle can be adequately
parked at the site and that this Conditional Use permit be periodically reviewed should the
Planning Commission find it satisfying to grant it approval. That periodic review should be
established one year from the Planning Commission action. The DAC Report goes on to include
comments from the other regulatory agencies including the City’s Public Works Department and
Electric. The Office of the Fire Marshal has provided comments; a number of them are advisory
in nature should they pursue liquor licensing in the future. There are no comments from DelDOT
and the Kent Conservation District has no objection as there is no real earth-moving activities
required with this project. To the Planning Commissioners, this is a Conditional Use permit.
Staff is recommending approval subject to a series of conditions to establish an annual
membership club within this existing building that was built a number of years ago for the
specific purposes of a Lodge facility.
Ms. Maucher stated for the record that she is President of the Dover Elks Lodge which is part of
the Benevolent and Protective Order of the Elks. It’s an unrelated entity but it has a similar
name.
Ms. Edwards questioned with Staff’s recommendation of opening of the facility, what is the
monitoring process if they are not allowed to serve alcohol? Responding to Ms. Edwards, Mrs.
Melson-Williams stated that with the establishment of an annual membership club, there would
be a Public Occupancy Permit that is required through the Office of the Fire Marshal. That
places the building subject to inspections for that Permit. Of course, the service of alcohol
anywhere in the State has State Licensing requirements so some of the monitoring could be done
at the State level.
Mr. Hugg stated that he thinks that is correct. The City would not as a matter of course, be
monitoring this sale or consumption of alcohol. That falls clearly under the Division of Alcohol
and Tobacco Enforcement of the State. They would respond probably both upon complaint and
periodically to determine that there wasn’t any legal activity going on. Our inspections would be
limited to regular compliance with occupancy and fire safety issues.
Mr. Holt questioned if this club currently meets now and roughly how many members are in this
club? Mr. Hugg stated that he thinks that is a question to be directed to the applicant when they
make their statement.
Ms. Maucher questioned what the tax status of the property is? Responding to Ms. Maucher, the
applicant indicated its 501c3 status.
Mr. Alexander stated that he has to agree because that is what Staff came up with. Every black
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organization from the Elks to the Masonic to the Legion, they are all in black neighborhoods. If
you go around closing all of them it is going to be a bad and sad day. He appreciates what Staff
has done to allow them to open.
Mrs. Melson-Williams stated that Mr. Holt has asked if you have been currently meeting and
what are the approximate numbers of your Lodge? Responding to Mr. Holt, Mr. Alexander
stated that they have been meeting at Demco behind Wawa located on Court Street. The
daughters meet at Luther Towers.
Mr. Tolbert questioned if all members met at that location? Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mr.
Alexander stated yes.
Mr. Tolbert further questioned how many members are present during a meeting? Responding to
Mr. Tolbert, Mr. Alexander stated that they always have a quorum which is at least seven people.
Mr. Holt stated that it is a service club and he wonders what types of projects the club
participates in. Responding to Mr. Holt, Mr. Alexander stated that they have back to school for
the kids, they have eye glasses for the older people, and a lot of stuff for the young people.
Mr. Tolbert questioned how many people they think would be in attendance at the facility should
they open it again on any given evening? Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mr. Alexander stated that
their highest attendance was on a Sunday night but it won’t be like that anymore. On any given
day there would probably be 45-50 people. He thinks that the Fire Marshal said that they were
allowed to hold 103 people.
Mr. Tolbert questioned how long the Lodge has been closed? Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mr.
Alexander stated since 2017 for 1.5 years.
Dr. Jones questioned if Mr. Alexander would speak to the recommendation that there be no
alcohol served at least initially? She asks that question because she is aware of this facility. How
would you operate and what would be your focus? Responding to Dr. Jones, Mr. Alexander
stated that they would have the kitchen open and they would have projects and stuff like that. He
thinks that they might be able to survive until they refocus some things and see what they can do
in the future.
Dr. Jones stated that it states that they would control guests. Guests would sign in. Have you
given any consideration to the number of guests to be permitted per club member? Responding
to Dr. Jones, Mr. Alexander stated that each member would be allowed five guests that would
have to have a card and the member would have to sign a book. If it needs to be refocused and let
each member have three guests then they can do that; whatever works for this Commission they
will work with.
Dr. Jones questioned what they see as the role of guests? What do you see guests being involved
in? Responding to Dr. Jones, Mr. Alexander stated that they will be upstairs eating and
socializing.
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Mr. Holden questioned what weekly events they envision holding at the facility? Responding to
Mr. Holden, Mr. Alexander stated that it would depend on other Lodges like Wilmington coming
down to support them along with Cambridge and Easton. It’s a Tri-State; it’s Delaware,
Maryland and Washington D.C. All of those Lodges would be coming to support them and try to
make them viable and whole again.
Mr. Holden questioned if those would be weekly events or would those be determined as time
went on? Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Alexander stated that as time went on.
Mr. Holden questioned if they envision planned events that happen every week, whether it is a
membership meeting or other things? Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Alexander stated that
membership meetings are the 1st and 3rd Monday night of every month. The Daughters meet the
2nd and 4th Tuesday of every month.
Ms. Edwards questioned what the intended hours of operation would be considering that there
are no events planned right now? What would the hours of operation be until you have some
organized plan of events? Responding to Ms. Edwards, Mr. Alexander stated that they would be
closed by at least 12AM and everybody will be out of there.
Ms. Edwards further questioned if that would be the time for every night of the week?
Responding to Ms. Edwards, Mr. Alexander stated no, this would be for just Friday and
Saturday. They have never been open every night of the week.
Mr. Tolbert questioned if parking has been a problem in the past at this facility. He is raising this
question because the facility is located in a residential community and from what he can see
there is little or no parking at the facility. Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mr. Alexander stated that
Irish Mike’s has no parking either, but that place is full every weekend. They park on Mary
Street because there is nobody there. They park over by the Reserves.
Mr. Tolbert stated that he raised the question because they are in a residential neighborhood and
if you have a number of people then they would have to park wherever they could and that may
or may not be a problem in the area. Also, during Mrs. Melson-Williams’ overview, she made
mention that you were to have bicycle parking. Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mr. Alexander stated
that they can do that. As Mrs. Melson-Williams said, they have four dumpsters there. They can
take one of the dumpsters away and make it a bicycle parking area.
Dr. Jones questioned how many members do you currently have? Responding to Dr. Jones, Mr.
Alexander stated that there are twenty-five members and the Daughters have nineteen members.
Dr. Jones stated that as you move your plans forward, should approval be granted, then you
might need to look at the number of guests per member. Responding to Dr. Jones, Mr. Alexander
stated that there is never going to be all of those people there at the same time. They are going to
have someone there counting them as they come and when we get to the limit then whatever
guests aren’t in they won’t get in there.
Mr. Roach stated that he is concerned because the Commission has asked several times what
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type of events they plan to have and on what type of consistency. You are saying that there might
be events that you actually do get to capacity but he really didn’t hear any statements in regards
to what type of events you would have with 103 people there. Responding to Mr. Roach, Mr.
Alexander stated that they will have to sit down and decide that now since alcohol is gone. What
they envisioned is for those people who are from Easton, Cambridge and Washington D.C.
would bring whatever they want to socialize with. They are going to bring their own stuff unless
they have no alcohol in the building at all.
Mr. Holden questioned how would the potential for members to bring their own alcohol into the
facility be governed or not governed by the City? Responding to Mr. Holden, Mrs. Melson-
Williams stated that she can’t pretend to know the State Alcohol Beverage Control regulations;
however, from a City standpoint, with any place of assembly that starts to have the service of
alcohol you get into a number of things from a fire protection standpoint. That may also include
the BYOB option as well. Those numbers are fairly low that trigger a full sprinkler system for
the building which this building does not have.
Mr. Tolbert opened the public hearing.
Ms. Bonnie Pennington – 200 North Kirkwood Street Dover, DE 19904
Ms. Pennington stated that Mr. Alexander told the Commission that they only park on two streets
and that is a lie. They park from Kirkwood Street and Cecil Street all the way to Mary Street and
all around the neighborhood on their grasses. They park everywhere. Her concern with the
alcohol is if the Commission gives them the opportunity to open, they might not serve it but what
about the people coming. They might drink it at the car before going into the club. He sat here
and said they had a sign in sheet when they were open a couple of years ago but they got busted
for lying. They only let so many people sign in and then they got caught with a lot of people who
didn’t sign in. They have more than fifty people in that building because she lives on the corner
and she has seven bullet holes in her house from this club. It starts in the club and ends out in
front of her house. In 2006, she hadn’t even lived there for one year and a man got shot in front
of her house and died from the Elks Club. She is going to fight this tooth and nail because she
does not want that club open. She has a handicapped grandson who lives in her house and he
cannot walk. When bullets fly they have to hit the ground. It is uncalled for, for them to have to
live in a residential neighborhood and have her stuff shot up. Are they going to pay for it? No.
Does she have the money to replace that? No.
Mr. Charles Jackson – Kirkwood Street Dover, DE 19904
Mr. Jackson stated that when he was young back in the late 1970’s, he would go to the Elks. As
years went on, things have changed. We have a problem with gun fire now and fighting out in
the street. One of the problems is that they may not buy the alcohol from the Elks but they bring
their own alcohol. Next thing you know, it gets late in the evening and there are fights and gun
fire. When we first started the issue with the Elks, they met with them and they asked if they
would do a little more to get control of what’s going on. They suggested creating a relationship
with the Police to kind of monitor what’s going on at a certain hour, but they were told that when
they come out of the Elks and get on the curb, it is not their responsibility. If they worked with
the neighbors on this problem, they may not have been here. They want to be safe. One of his
neighbors was in his house sitting in the kitchen and he got up from where he was sitting and
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there was a bullet that came through the window. If he would have stayed in the chair for a few
more seconds he may not be here now. They need someone to make an effort to control what is
going on because taking the liquor license from them doesn’t stop the drinking and carrying on
the way they are doing.
Mr. Tolbert questioned if Mr. Jackson was speaking for himself or for a community
organization? Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mr. Jackson stated that they have a Kirkwood Street
Neighborhood Watch and he is speaking for them.
Mr. John Marble – unknown (owner of several properties in area)
Mr. Marble stated that he has been here before. He wants to thank each of the Commissioners for
serving in their respected positions and for steering our City through these times with the
economic slowdown, with the Downtown Development and Habitat for Humanity, and the
revitalization. He applauds the Commission for that. The reason he wanted to say that is because
he has been here before and he has done Minor Subdivisions for promoting homeownership. He
is a businessman in the community. He owns nine rentals across the street from the Lodge. They
are low income rentals. Sometimes there are problems with domestic things but it’s not criminal.
He just wanted to say that he was involved with Habitat for Humanity for six years; he was the
Building Committee Chairman. He helped spearhead the rebuilding of this street. About eighteen
years ago he was down here with Mr. Christmas, Mr. Pitts, Mr. Salters and various others. They
had a go-around in this Chamber and nothing had changed. He was accused of things that he was
deeply offended by. We are racially integrated in this community. His wife’s mother lived at 218
North Kirkwood Street in 1953 along with her bother. It is a mixed neighborhood; it is not a
primarily black neighborhood, whatever that means. From a business standpoint, he has got some
information here about crime and neighborhoods. When you have establishments such as this
going on it really does not help what the general plan is for a community. You have Irish Mike’s
which is in a commercial district where there is parking areas. There is a parking garage coming.
You have a Downtown area which is a commercial district. This is a residential district. He
partnered with the City and State; he was the first person to receive the Downtown Development
District Incentive on Mary Street. He used his own money and his own savings to build a
beautiful 1,500 square foot home that he could not even sell. You don’t even have to go to the
neighborhood to found out what’s going on; the Police calls and gun shots. Everybody said they
loved the house but people don’t want to buy it. We just read that there was gun fight last night.
He ended up having to break even on the house which he doesn’t mind because he knew that he
was doing the better thing. You come around the corner and you see that house plus the Dover
Housing Authority houses that they built there; you look like you are entering a development but
you are entering Kirkwood Street. Things have improved and that is what they are trying to do.
He likes the idea of no alcohol. He likes community centers and things of that nature and people
getting involved. If they would put a stipulation that there would never ever be alcohol there then
he would vote for it to be open. They could have prayer group; they could do all kinds of things.
The alcohol is out of control. They are blocking the driveways and there are bottles thrown at
people. Chief Mailey gave them a report showing that as soon as they closed up, crime stopped
80%. The statistics are there. You need to revitalize yourselves; maybe change the name. He
thinks that he could prove that you are affiliated to the Elks; they are an organization. He thinks
that the two lodges have something in common over history because way back when there was
segregation and ugly things like that. Blacks were not allowed in white Elks Lodges back in the
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day. He does not remember that; he loves all people for who they are no matter what color they
are.
Ms. Carmen Hardcastle – 121 North Kirkwood Street Dover, DE 19904
Ms. Hardcastle stated that she is a retired educator. She is the daughter of the late Dr. James C.
Hardcastle. She grew up at 121 North Kirkwood Street. She retired three years ago and she came
back. The first week that she was home she heard gun fire. She didn’t hear all of that when she
was growing up and she had to hit the floor. The incidents report from 2006 to 2015 is from just
the Elks Club. She doesn’t have a problem with the Elks; she used to go the Elks when she was
growing up. Her concern is not inside the Elks; her concern is what goes on after the Elks closes.
They have asked them to hire security for when it closes or someone from the Police Department
to monitor what’s going on after it closes to get the people to move because they park in front of
her house and fights start. She has bullet holes in her house also. She doesn’t like hitting the floor
on the weekends; she doesn’t even want to come out of the house on the weekends when they
open. They shouldn’t have to live like this. Now she sees people walking down the streets, kids
are playing and people are walking up and down the streets. It’s a big difference now. People are
taking their kids to the playground that they have on Mary Street. She didn’t see this in the three
years that she has been back home. If you do allow them to open up, between 12AM when they
close and maybe 1AM, have some kind of security there to move those people on because that is
when the problem arises. They defecate on the side of her house. She has had some work done at
her house and she had workers come and they came to the side and she couldn’t believe it. They
don’t have to hit the floor at night time when they are open because they close and go home to
their homes but they are not living on Kirkwood Street. They shouldn’t have to hit the floor
because of gun shots. She is not saying that it’s because of them; it’s because the Elks Club
brings a bad element.
Councilman Roy Sudler, Jr.
Councilman Sudler stated that he would like to take this moment to share something that he
received. It’s very disturbing but it’s not too bad. (Councilman Sudler shared a message from his
cell phone from a constituent on January 3, 2018 stating to keep the Elks Club closed
permanently.)
Mr. Harold R. Mack - unknown
Mr. Mack stated that he doesn’t think that it’s about ethnicity; it’s not about color. He was
talking about a trend and a timeframe. As far as shootings, that is community policing. We are
talking about community policing that should be occurring in the Dover district. We are talking
about an organization that has been around and has been a trend for those people at one point
who could not have social clubs and things of that nature. It’s not about the black and white
issue; it’s about the pride in that organization. The other side of that is that Delaware is a
transient State. It’s bringing in other types of personalities. He is prior law enforcement himself
with over thirty-one years so he sees a lot. Community policing and crime mapping that they see
that they are coming from New York, Philadelphia and Washington D.C. Looking at these other
residents who have been living there for so many years, it’s not the Dover Elks Lodge that has
caused these shootings and murders. It’s the other transient people who are coming in and
bringing other behaviors. This is why Delaware is in the state that it’s in today. He knows
because they just lost a Correctional Officer Steven Floyd and they talk about the inmate clients
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who come into their community. When the gentleman spoke about the crime that is occurring,
it’s not the Elks Lodge. This Lodge has done numerous things for the community. On April 8,
2016, he gave this Commission something that went on record about the activities that they
asked about. It was a two-page docket that said what they do quarterly, weekly and monthly and
what they have done for the community. Some of that stuff has went to pass and some people
have put it to rest. It is about community treating people like people and this is what this whole
thing is about. It’s not about selling property and the value; it’s about bringing the value back to
the people who live in the community who trust it.
Mr. Vance Thorpe – unknown
Mr. Thorpe stated that he is the Chief Antler for the State of Delaware. He has been a member of
the Elks for fifty years. He has been Exalted Ruler of two Elks Lodges; Wilmington and Newark
and now he is in Dover. The Elks is about community service; however, the way they raise most
of their funds is through the sale of spirits. They have other ways of making money and they are
still about doing community service, civil liberties, conservation of self, helping the needy and
mainly they focus on scholarships for students that may never get the chance to go to college.
This is the major function that they try to do. He’s traveled to Elks Lodges all over and he has
never been turned away from an Elks Lodge when he shows his card. They receive him, give
him the upmost hospitality and treat him like a human being. IPOENW has made preparations to
try to work together because we are all doing the same work. The Masonics now have packs and
they are working together because they all do the same work. They should be about community
service to those that are most unfortunate and may never get a chance to go to college without
the support and help of the Elks. They aren’t about socializing; they are about community service
and this is the main function that they should be under. They went astray with some rulers that
got in and didn’t do what they were supposed to do just like anything else. They are supposed to
be about community service and they have never went against the Constitution of the United
States. They try to make things better and unfortunately some things do get worse.
Mrs. Melson-Williams stated that she does have to reference something in order to put it in the
record. Included in the Planning Commissioner’s packets were copies of correspondence that
was received regarding the application that had been submitted to the Planning Office prior to
tonight’s meeting. They include a series of emails. There is an email from a Mr. Benjamin Black
of 213 North Kirkwood Street. He expresses his concerns about the re-opening of the facility.
That was an email dated December 2, 2017. It was sent to Councilman Sudler and also to Mayor
Robin Christiansen. There is a second email from a Mr. Travis Thompson who lives at 226 North
Queen Street. That is an email dated December 6, 2017 that is expressing concerns about
activities in the area. There is an information document that was forwarded to the Planning
Director by Mr. Roy Sudler via email from December 7, 2017 with the request that it be
provided to the Planning Commission in regards to the application. (Note: Councilman David
Anderson requested that this information on 217 North Kirkwood Street be made part of the
record for the conditional use request. The Request was made by motion at the Parks Recreation
and Community Enhancement Committee Meeting of February 13, 2018.) It’s some statistics
from the Dover Police Department covering timeframes in 2016 and 2017. It’s a series of charts
and bar graphs.
Mr. Tolbert closed the public hearing.
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Mr. Alexander stated that he thinks the gentleman misunderstood him earlier. It wasn’t about
color or race. He was just trying to give the history of how blacks try to help each other out and
the only place they had was in a black neighborhood. It wasn’t anything about black and white.
He is sorry if anyone took it that way. He also said in the beginning that the capacity of that
building was 103 people; he didn’t not say 50.
Mr. Holden stated that he thinks with any Conditional Use and as Code directs, the applicant is
required to show that their application is in compliance with public health, safety, welfare and
convenience of the local public and in harmony of the character with the local area. He thinks
that they have heard a lot of comments from the public over strong concerns from historical
issues. They have seen some information from the Police that addresses the apparent correlation
of those issues that seem to follow along with the public’s statements. He doesn’t think that they
have heard from the applicant, an acknowledgement of those issues nor a path to address them.
Mr. Holden moved to deny C-17-06 Pride of Dover Elks Lodge at 217 North Kirkwood Street for
the reasons stated above, seconded by Ms. Edwards and the motion was carried 9-0 by roll call
vote. Mr. Holden voting yes; for the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Roach voting yes; due to
the concerns from the community in regards to the parking and the crime in the area once the
club was closed. Ms. Edwards voting yes; as a Rotarian and immediate Past President of a
Rotary Club she understands the importance and how critical community organizations are to
the community but based on the reasons previously stated and the outpouring of concern from
the community she is inclined to approve the motion as stated. Mr. Holt voting yes; he feels sorry
for the Elks because he thinks that they do a good job but they are kind of between a rock and a
hard place and the hard place is that they have had peace and tranquility in the area and they
can’t have it the way things are at this present time. Mr. Baldwin voting yes; he understands that
the Elks do good work; however, after listening to the neighbors and past history he thinks that
it’s perhaps just in the wrong location. Dr. Jones voting yes; she is concerned that we were not
able to get additional specific information regarding community service. She is very familiar
with the Elks and she just thinks that there could have been a better presentation to talk about
the connection between the services of the Elks and the community. Mrs. Welsh voting yes; she
agrees with what Mr. Holden and Dr. Jones said about more information regarding the specifics
of the organization such as things like what specific hours they intended to have meetings and
what times the meetings would have ended. Those types of specific details she thinks would have
helped a lot for giving the information as to their service to the community. Ms. Maucher voting
yes; for reasons previously stated and community organizations do a lot. It would have been
good to hear that you recognize the problems that you have had and what you can do aside from
not serving alcohol to address some of the concerns of the community going forward. Mr.
Tolbert voting yes; unfortunately, the presentation that was presented to the Commission was
overwhelmingly negative about all of the problems that have occurred in a residential area
where this facility is located. Although they have had a good record of doing community and
public service, that was not brought out in this hearing. The presentation did not cover all that
needed to be covered given the history and the record of the Elks Lodge. He is compelled to vote
in favor of the motion and he would hope with all of his heart that you do not stop, that you
continue to try to make the Elks what you intended for it to be. Alcohol is never a good thing
unless it is absolutely controlled.
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2) Series of Text Amendments to the Zoning Ordinance: The three sets of Text Amendments are
grouped into Proposed Ordinance #2018-06. They are available on the City’s website
www.cityofdover.com under the Government Heading: Ordinances, Resolutions & Tributes.
https://www.cityofdover.com/ordinances-and-resolutions. The Planning Commission will
conduct a Public Hearing on each Text Amendment for recommendation to City Council.
The Final Reading/Public Hearing at City Council is scheduled for Monday, August 27, 2018
at 7:30pm.
a. MI-18-05 Text Amendments: Addition of IPM3 Zone (Zoning Ordinance, Article 3
§20 & 24, Article 4 §4.16, Article 5 §8, and Article 12) – Public Hearing and Review
for Recommendation to City Council of Text Amendments to the Zoning Ordinance,
principally Article 3 §20 - Industrial Park Manufacturing Zone. The proposed
ordinance adds a new subsection 20B for the IPM3 Zone (Industrial Park
Manufacturing Zone- Industrial Aviation and Aeronautics Center). The new zone is
an industrial zone focused on permitting businesses in aviation and aeronautics-
related industries. Changes are also made to the City’s Bulk Standards and
Performance Standards to ensure the new uses will be covered under those standards.
Representative: None
Mr. Diaz stated that there are three sets of proposed text amendments. They are all going to be
part of the same Ordinance update to the Zoning Ordinance if recommended, when they go to
City Council next month. The first amendment is the proposed addition of an IPM3 Zone to the
Zoning Ordinance. This designation would be similar to the existing IPM and IPM2 zones and
that would be a zoning primarily focused on industrial parks. It would be different in that this is
titled to be the Industrial Aviation and Aeronautics Zone which would be a zone focused mainly
on aircraft and aviation related uses. The reason for adding this zone to the Zoning Ordinance
was concerns by the runners of the Civil Air Terminal in Dover and hoping to do some
development of the Kent County Aero Park that is next to them to build industry in that area. If
this zone designation is successfully added to the Zoning Ordinance, they would follow up this
process with a Comprehensive Rezoning to rezone some properties in that area to the new zoning
designation in order to ultimately develop that industrial park with aviation and aeronautics
related uses. The zoning designation includes a number of provisions designed to basically make
it easier for developments of that type to be in the zone; things like a reduction in the typical tree
planting requirement because trees can attract birds and other wildlife that may interfere with
aviation uses. The Text Amendment contains a full list of the changes that are proposed for that
zone.
Mr. Tolbert opened the public hearing and after seeing no one wishing to speak, closed the
public hearing.
Ms. Maucher questioned if it would have been possible to amend an existing ordinance rather
than creating a new one or was the detail that was required so sufficient to require a new
ordinance? Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mr. Diaz stated that during the discussions that they
had with the representatives of the Kent County Aero Park, there were a number of options that
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were discussed at the beginning. One of them was amending the existing Industrial Park zones to
allow aviation related uses but in the end they thought that they don’t want to open the other
industrial parks in the City to these types of uses because they are really supposed to benefit
from proximity to the Civil Air Terminal and the Air Force Base itself. That is why they thought
that a new zoning district would be the most appropriate course of action.
Dr. Jones moved to recommend approval to City Council for MI-18-05 Text Amendments:
Addition of IPM3 Zone (Zoning Ordinance, Article 3 §20 & 24, Article 4 §4.16, Article 5 §8, and
Article 12), seconded by Mrs. Welsh and the motion was carried 9-0 by roll call vote. Mr.
Holden voting yes; due to Staff comments and he thinks the potential economic benefit for our
regional footprint is impactful. Mr. Roach voting yes. Ms. Edwards voting yes; for reasons
previously stated. Mr. Holt voting yes; due to Staff comments and the work that they put into it.
Mr. Baldwin voting yes. Dr. Jones voting yes; for the reasons previously stated. Mrs. Welsh
voting yes; for the reasons previously stated. Ms. Maucher voting yes; for the reasons previously
stated. Mr. Tolbert voting yes; for all of the reasons stated and this change is absolutely needed.
b. MI-18-06 Text Amendments: Replacement of Maximum Parking Requirement
(Zoning Ordinance, Article 4 §4.15 & §4.16, and Article 6 §3) – Public Hearing and
Review for Recommendation to City Council of Text Amendments to the Zoning
Ordinance in Article 4 and Article 6 to remove the existing maximum parking
standard and replace it with new impervious cover (lot coverage) limitations where
excessive parking lot size is of particular concern in commercial and industrial zones.
The existing standard sets maximum parking for any use at 125% of the minimum
required. Under these Text Amendments, this standard would be replaced with lot
coverage limitations for the C-3, C-4, RC, IPM, IPM2, and M Zones, all of which
currently lack any such limitations.
Representative: None
Mr. Diaz stated that this text amendment is intended to address a provision in the Zoning
Ordinance that has been a frequent concern of developers and also a frequent request of relief at
the Board of Adjustment. The current Zoning Ordinance has a maximum parking requirement.
The Zoning Ordinance sets for pretty much all uses, a minimum parking requirement that is
based on things like square footage or number of employees or apartment units. It is a greatly
varying list of possible things determining what that number is but there is also a maximum
parking requirement that is set at a uniform 25% over the minimum. While this amendment has
been intended to combat the proliferation of extremely large parking lots that often are not filled
to capacity, the Ordinance has caused problems especially for very small businesses that have
greatly reduced flexibility due to the 25% over limit. For instance, if you have a business that
requires ten parking spaces they are only allowed to build an additional two spaces before hitting
the maximum. Because this Ordinance has not been really functioning as intended, they propose
to replace it with a new way to control the size of very large parking lots and that is to institute a
maximum impervious surface coverage for a number of the zones in the City. Particularly, it is
for the more intensive commercial zones where such an impervious surface coverage
requirement did not previously exist. It is different for each of the zones but it would be in the
65% to 85% maximum lot coverage for the zones that do not previously have this designation.
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They believe that this will work towards controlling the parking lot size problem.
Ms. Edwards questioned how we currently determine the amount of impervious surface and if
we remove that and replace it with a maximum lot coverage, what would the new calculation
look like? Responding to Ms. Edwards, Mr. Diaz stated that the current lot coverage is
determined by adding up the total square footage of all impervious surfaces on the property; so it
includes the buildings, the parking lot and any sidewalks. For residential properties, it includes
driveways, patios, etc. It does include gravel areas if the property is legally able to have those.
The intent is that by putting a limit on maximum lot coverage for these zones that did not
previously have any that the developers will have to basically make a balance between the
building, the parking lot and other impervious surface areas. If they wanted to have a bigger
parking lot, then they may need to have a smaller building. Those considerations previously,
often did not come into play when developing the intensive commercial zones and industrial
zones such as the C-3, C-4 and the IPM Zones.
Ms. Edwards further questioned how we now determine the number of parking spaces? Is it
based on square footage of the building? Is it based on the number of people who are going to
occupy the building or the number go businesses that occupy a building? How do we determine
that now? Responding to Ms. Edwards, Mr. Diaz stated to determine the minimum parking that
is required, there are a variety of ways that are used. In most cases, it is based on the square
footage of the building or the number of employees who are employed in the building;
whichever is greater. There are also a number of specific uses that are listed in Article 6 of the
Zoning Ordinance that have their own parking requirements that are specific to that use.
Ms. Edwards questioned how we would determine the new amount of parking space?
Responding to Ms. Edwards, Mr. Diaz stated that the way to calculate the minimum number of
parking spaces would not change under this Ordinance.
Mr. Holden questioned if this creates new and/or increase in the allowable lot coverage ratios?
Are we bumping up numbers that were previously a less percentage of maximum allowable lot
coverage? Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Diaz stated that this Ordinance is introducing
maximum lot coverages for zones that did not previously have any maximum lot coverages. For
instance, for the C-4 Zone the previous maximum lot coverage was not specified. By specifying
a specific lot coverage, they can assume to be reducing the maximum lot coverages from
previously allowed 100%.
Mr. Holden stated that the IO and CPO Zones did have previous maximum lot coverages.
Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Diaz stated that is correct.
Mr. Holden stated that as he understands this, the maximum allowable parking spaces now is
really just limited by how much of that lot coverage percentage an applicant wants to utilize for
parking. Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Diaz stated yes, that is correct.
Mr. Holden stated that he thinks the maximum parking spot limitation was driven in some part to
protect against a big box store or others from creating a sea of parking that might be desired to
create easy parking and easy access to a store where from an aesthetic or other standpoint; we
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don’t necessarily want seas of parking in the City. His concern here is that you can get around
any of that by just buying more land and putting a sea of parking around it. Did we consider an
approach to take the 125% to 150%? It makes him a little uncomfortable in his view to remove a
maximum for any extent practical purpose. Is there another approach that was considered? Why
go this route? Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Diaz stated that when they first started having this
discussion, they did talk about increasing the maximum allowed parking from that 25% ratio to a
higher one or potentially introducing a tiered system, for instance, if your business requires a
very small amount of parking spaces it would be a higher allowed maximum. For instance, the
ten spaces that he previously mentioned could go up to 200% and then when you get to like
twenty-five spaces it could go down to 150%. The problem with that was that it created sort of
pinch points in the tiers where if you were required just one parking space more or one parking
space less than the maximum you allowed would be drastically different. For that reason, they
thought that it would be best to scrap the maximum all together and look for a different solution.
Mr. Holden stated that it is a challenge but he thinks that he would really much prefer to find if
we had a tiered approach or a simple equation that related the parcel size or development size to
account for those smaller lots. That 150% addition is only an additional half parking spot. If an
application with a big box store wants a sea of parking, they just need to buy a parcel big enough
to build a sea of parking and accommodate their store. How does this approach guard against that
concern? Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Diaz stated that there is only so much developable land
in Dover. The big open areas where one could potentially build a parking lot, there aren’t as
many as their used to be. If an applicant wants to buy land and demolish buildings specifically to
build just parking; he is talking about removing productive uses specifically so that they can add
to their parking area is going to be a business consideration that they are going to make. He
doesn’t know if that makes Mr. Holden more comfortable or not but he doesn’t think that it’s
likely that they would do that.
Mr. Holden stated that there are large lots left. The lot on the south side of Home Depot for
example, that’s a big area. Those maximums were created at some point to guard against
applicants that they had and the perception of some of the commercial businesses and the paving
areas that we do have within those. He thinks that the reality is there that are some businesses
may push there. He would like a tool that allows them some purview over that and he doesn’t see
a need why that can’t be at the Planning Commission. At times, they have had applicants come
and provide information from other stores that supports that their specific use really demands a
specific amount of parking. He thinks that this group has been very open to those discussions.
Increasing that ratio whether via tiered or via a simple equation that doesn’t create those tier
pinch points, gives us that ability without having to send the applicant to the Board of
Adjustment which he thinks is negatively impactful for economic growth when you have that
uncertainty. He thinks that the Planning Commission is typically very open to working with the
applicant. He would really rather see this reworked in that fashion. Responding to Mr. Holden,
Mr. Hugg stated that when they first considered this approach, one of the analysis that Staff did
was to actually look at majority of the larger development projects that have occurred in Dover
in the last four or five years and also the number of variances to the parking requirements that
have come before the City for approval. These numbers were not picked out of the air; they were
sort of tied back to what they are actually seeing applicants ask for variances to actually develop.
The difficulty that we have is rather is 125, 150 or 160 or whatever the number is, it’s an
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extremely arbitrary number that as soon as you set it you have an exception that has to be granted
because it creates that particular use difficulty. It seemed to them that there were really kind of
two objectives here. The first one was to address this issue of if you have a doctor’s office and
the Code says you have to have ten spaces and the maximum that you can have is 12.5 then you
probably still don’t have enough parking. Doctor’s offices and those kinds of uses have sort of
peaks and valleys and high turnover and may very well need twenty-five parking spaces. A
bakery may not need that kind of turnover. Coming up with a standard or set of percentages or
maximums seemed to be pretty much unworkable. The other objective was to put some of the
decision making burden back on the developer and say you’ve got a choice now. You can’t
exceed 65% coverage so you figure out what makes the most economic sense. As Mr. Diaz said,
that puts the choice of do they go for a lot of parking and end up with a much smaller building or
do they go with a bigger building and modify the parking. Those kinds of decisions belong in the
hands of the developers and the people who are doing the development. He doesn’t think that it
belongs in the hands of Staff to say that it says a certain number. This is one of the half a dozen
or so major obstacles that he heard fourteen months ago when he came on board from the
development community. They said that Staff was trying to put a box around some of these
decisions that either didn’t fit and made them come back here and ask for a waiver for their
parking or just created some difficulties that didn’t seem to aid in economic development. It’s
always a challenge to figure out what kind of approach works best. Starting with what has been
the actual experience over the last five years with a variety of development projects is how they
came up with these 65% and 75% limitations. It’s probably the realistic approach to making
these kinds of decisions rather than saying you can’t have more than 125% of something.
Ms. Edwards questioned how this amendment affect existing businesses? In Mr. Hugg’s example
of the doctor’s office who may need twenty-five spaces but only has twelve. How does this
amendment effect existing businesses or is this just strictly for new construction? Responding to
Ms. Edwards, Mr. Hugg stated that this would be proactive. If an existing business is already
under that limitation like any other they come back and go through the approval process again
and modify their plan. For new businesses, this would give them that flexibility. There is just a
handful of these that really create issues because they have doctor’s offices, restaurants and
certain kinds of businesses have very high parking peaks. At 3PM in the afternoon there is
nobody parked there, from 5-9PM there are people parked everywhere and at 9PM there is no
need for parking so that standard just doesn’t work well as an absolute.
Ms. Maucher questioned if Staff had reviewed this with the development community and do they
seem satisfied that these percentages would work for them to avoid issues going forward?
Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mr. Hugg stated that this proposal has been shared with a number
of the developers and the people that were involved in the group that he put together when he
first came on board to look out how to solve this problem in an effective and efficient manner.
He thinks that some of the engineering community generally feels much better working with
figuring out 65% impervious cover because they can manipulate how they use the lot and how
they deal with stormwater and other things as opposed to trying to fight to get to an artificial
number or come in with a variance.
Mr. Tolbert stated that if this amendment is approved it will give the Planning Office more
flexibility in parking requirements.
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Mr. Tolbert opened a public hearing and after seeing no one wishing to speak, closed the public
hearing.
Ms. Maucher moved to recommend approval to City Council for MI-18-06 Text Amendments:
Replacement of Maximum Parking Requirement (Zoning Ordinance, Article 4 §4.15 & §4.16,
and Article 6 §3) to give more flexibility in the maximum number of parking spaces, seconded by
Mrs. Welsh and the motion was carried by 8-1 roll call vote. Mr. Holden voting no; he thinks
that they can accomplish the same thing via a method that does provide some maximums but with
greater certainty to the development community. Mr. Roach voting yes; to give the Planning Staff
the flexibility and the Commission is still able to vote on it when it comes to them. Ms. Edwards
voting yes; she presumes that if it’s determined at some point in time in the future that this does
not work as amended then they would take a look at it at that point. Mr. Holt voting yes. Mr.
Baldwin voting yes; for reasons previously stated. Dr. Jones voting yes; for reasons previously
stated. Mrs. Welsh voting yes; for reasons previously stated. Ms. Maucher voting yes; for
reasons previously stated. Mr. Tolbert voting yes; it does provide some flexibility and if at some
point in time they need to change it then it can come back before the Commission.
c. MI-18-07 Text Amendments: Vehicle Signs (Zoning Ordinance, Article 5 §4) –
Public Hearing and Review for Recommendation to City Council of Text
Amendments to the Zoning Ordinance, Article 5 §4 intended to clarify what
qualifies as a vehicle being used for the sole purpose of signage. Under the
current Ordinance, vehicles are not permitted to be used for the sole purpose of
signage. The Text Amendments would provide a list of criteria the City Planner
can use to make a determination that this provision has been violated. It also
specifies that vehicles in violation are to be moved to an area of the property
where they are not visible or less visible.
Representative: None
Mr. Diaz stated that this amendment regards signs that are placed on vehicles. He is sure
everyone here has seen a vehicle that has a sign on it, whether it’s a Domino’s Pizza truck or a
Comcast truck or a truck that has a banner saying please come this way to our business. There is
currently in our Ordinance a provision that says that vehicles cannot be used for the sole purpose
of signage; however, the Inspections Office has had trouble enforcing this provision in the past
because there isn’t a clear definition of what “used solely for the purpose of signage” really
means. If you drive around the City today you can see a number of vehicles that move rarely or
not at all that have logos belonging to nearby businesses on them. But it has not been easy to
determine for certain that all of these vehicles are in fact being used for the “sole purpose of
signage.” The purpose of this Ordinance amendment is to give the Planning and Inspections
Office some clarity and criteria on how to actually apply this requirement so that moving
forward into the future they can make sure that they are able to enforce the Ordinance. The major
part of it gives a list of criteria that the Planning Office can use to make determinations. There is
also a Staff amendment on the table that has done some work to consolidate those criteria into a
few more concise ones. It also clarified the number of criteria that would need to be met before a
determination could be made. The Ordinance can be either recommended as it stands tonight or
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recommended with inclusion of the Staff Amendment.
Ms. Maucher questioned if Staff could give them an idea of what problem this is meant to cure?
Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mr. Hugg stated like that Thai Restaurant van parked in the parking
lot with a one-way directional arrow on it saying “Thai Restaurant”. That is clearly a vehicle
being used for sign purposes; it never moves and it would make no sense if it were turned around
in the other direction. When the mulch guy was on DuPont Highway near the Indian restaurant,
there was a big van truck out there that said “Mr. Mulch”. That vehicle never moved and it was
clearly an advertising sign. The Cold Stone Ice Cream place had a van parked for a long period
of time that never moved and was clearly being used as advertising. The former La Tolteca had a
van box truck backed in at an angle clearly taking advantage of that issue. When he did a survey
earlier in the year looking at this issue which was actually brought to his attention by a member
of City Council, he thinks that there were 12 or 13 potential violations. They were really
questions of is this vehicle being used solely for the purposes of a sign because they didn’t have
any real criteria. That said, does it go home at night, is it backed away from the highway at night
time, is it moved around or do they make deliveries in it? It was very difficult to bring any kind
of enforcement action. The desire was to provide some criteria so that there would be some basis
for making that kind of determination; being equitable to other people who aren’t allowed to
have trucks with signs on them and have to meet sign requirements; and to avoid the
proliferation of these kinds of vehicles up and down the highway. He does want to make the
point for the record too that the Staff Amendment is a result of the discussions that took place at
the Council Committee of the Whole Workshop. They received important input from that
meeting to make sure that they were achieving the desire that they were hoping to receive but not
penalizing people who had vehicles that had signs on them that were used in the regular course
of business. Staff recommends the Amendment which is the version of the Ordinance that was
recommended from the Council Committee of the Whole for consideration by the Planning
Commission.
Mr. Holden stated that he appreciates this potential opportunity to address some of those issues
that were just described. He wonders if they have thought of if the vehicles are parked in an
identified parking spot. He can think of a few of these potential uses of a vehicle really kind of a
sign first and only where they park a vehicle on a corner. He thinks is a safety concern but also
isn’t really an identified parking spot although it is within a lot where there is specified striping.
Is there an avenue to or has there been some consideration of including a criteria item that would
identify vehicles that are routinely parked in areas that are not specified striped parking spots?
Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Hugg stated that where people are parking vehicles generally is
subject to a number of provisions already in the Code that relate to where vehicles are parked.
This particular issue has to do primarily with the question of business signage and the use of
vehicles as a sign for a business. It is a much stricter focus.
Mr. Holden stated that he thinks of the staffing agency that is next to the deli on Governors
Avenue just a couple businesses down from the Becker Morgan Group. They typically park the
van with signage on it cattycorner right on the corner so that it’s almost on top of the sidewalk.
It’s right on the backside of the historical Green and there certainly doesn’t seem to be a striped
parking spot there. Within the specific attempt to address vehicles being used as signs
inappropriately, has there been discussion over adding criteria that would allow you to address
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those if they were not parked in identified striped parking spots or is that not needed because of
the other parking criteria within the City? Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Diaz stated that one of
the criteria is that if a vehicle is parked so that its signage is currently displayed to the public
when a more discrete parking space is available on-site, they would consider that pointing to that
vehicle being solely used as signage. In the case that Mr. Holden mentioned with the vehicle
cattycornered, it sounds like it is parked in a location specifically to be very prominently
displayed to the public. Since there are parking spaces available on the lot that it could use then it
should be using those instead of the cattycorner under this criteria.
Mr. Holden stated that he would suggest maybe adding a criteria that allows Planning Staff the
discretion that if it meets one of the other criteria and is also parking itself in an area that is not
an identified striped parking spot then it would give an additional criteria tool to address the
issue that he thinks they are trying to address here. Responding to Mr. Holden, Mr. Hugg stated
that he thinks that he understands what Mr. Holden is suggesting. That would not be a provision
that would be in the vehicle sign provisions which is what this particular amendment solely
addresses. There are existing requirements and Staff can certainly go back if some of them need
to be addressed as well. He knows that you can’t park in a manner that blocks the line of sight at
an intersection and you can’t park a vehicle on the grass. There is a whole series of parking
related issues that perhaps they should take another look at but this particular issue was intended
to deal solely with the applicability of the sign provisions and vehicles. He is not sure that this is
the right section of the Ordinance to address some of those provisions of someone parking in a
non-designated area or parking in a manner that blocks sight or creates a traffic hazard.
Mr. Holden stated that he thought it’s another manner to reflect a vehicle being used specifically
to be a sign and it would help if we are looking for tools or criteria that make that clear.
Ms. Maucher questioned if this is going to create problems for the small business that might have
a vehicle for deliveries and they only deliver two or three times a day and the car doesn’t go
home, it stays at the place of business? In the Cold Stone example, they might do deliveries but
not that frequently but when they do they want their signage on their vehicle. Responding to Ms.
Maucher, Mr. Hugg stated that he thinks it actually does the opposite. He thinks that it clarifies
the conditions under which those kinds of activities occur. One of the criteria is, does the vehicle
move at all during normal business hours? There are numerous vehicles with business signs on
them that are used for those types of purposes that are moved during the day and that clearly
have a signage value but they are not being used solely for a sign. By having a criteria regarding
if the vehicle moves during normal business hours, the operation of the business needs to reflect
the fact that they are trying to separate out those vehicles that are backed into a space or backed
up next to the highway and sit there. Clearly in some cases, they can become inoperable which
there are other Code provisions to deal with that.
Mr. Holt questioned if there anything that you would give somebody that objected some of the
things in this Ordinance? Maybe they have some reason for that sign on that vehicle. Is there an
opportunity for them to come before the City or this group and express their concerns on why
they feel that their sign is necessary? Responding to Mr. Holt, Mr. Hugg stated that the
administration of this Ordinance would fall under the Code Enforcement section and if someone
was cited then there are appeal mechanisms for seeking recourse to that situation. He doesn’t
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think that we need to specify that here since it is already provided for elsewhere in the
Ordinance. Clearly, the idea here is that Code Enforcement Staff now has the opportunity to not
have to make a hard judgment call on whether the vehicle is being solely used for signs or not.
Mr. Tolbert stated that all businesses pretty much have their names on their vehicles. He is
thinking of one business in particular; the businesses that rent furniture. They have several
vehicles and there are always vehicles parked near their facility. Even if they have vehicles
moving, there are always vehicles parked near their facility and you would have to make a
determination whether it’s being used solely as a sign. When you have more than one vehicle
there is always going to be vehicles parked near the facility. There are a number of businesses
that have more than one vehicle that are parked near their business. You would have to make a
determination whether it was a sign or an operable vehicle and that may be problematical at
times. Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mr. Hugg stated that is the intent of this modification to this
Ordinance is to provide some criteria to help make that decision. There are businesses where the
vehicles don’t necessarily move everyday like people who do catering and things of that nature.
A vehicle may sit for 3 or 4 days until the weekend when they have a catering job. Right now,
there is no real criteria to help make a decision and what they are trying to do is provide some
guidance for addressing those issues.
Mr. Tolbert stated that the way this amendment is written, will it help alleviate the problem?
Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mr. Hugg stated that they believe that it will because they believe
that it will allow them to identify and address those vehicles that are clearly being used for signs
without imposing an additional burden on others.
Mr. Tolbert opened a public hearing and after seeing no one wishing to speak, closed the public
hearing.
Mr. Holden moved to recommend approval to City Council for MI-18-07 Text Amendments:
Vehicle Signs (Zoning Ordinance, Article 5 §4) inclusive of Staff Amendment Number 1,
seconded by Mrs. Welsh and the motion was carried 9-0 by roll call vote. Mr. Holden voting yes;
due to Staff comments. Mr. Roach voting yes; for the reasons previously stated. Ms. Edwards
voting yes; for the reasons previously stated. Mr. Holt voting yes; for the reasons previously
stated. Mr. Baldwin voting yes. Dr. Jones voting yes; for the reasons previously stated. Mrs.
Welsh voting yes; per the discussions tonight. Ms. Maucher voting yes; for the reasons
previously stated. Mr. Tolbert voting yes; Staff gave them a thorough understanding of what this
amendment is intending to do.
NEW BUSINESS
1) MI-18-10 Eden Hill Farm TND Residential District: Architecture Concept – Update on the
Meeting Task assigned to Staff by Planning Commission at June 18, 2018 regarding the
request for Consideration by Planning Commission of an Architecture Concept for
townhouse units and an Architecture Concept for single family detached dwellings (in a 55+
community format) with a request for removal of alleys within the Eden Hill Farm TND:
Residential District. The property is zoned TND (Traditional Neighborhood Design Zone).
The owner of record Eden Hill Residential, LLC. Property Address: area southeast of
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intersection Wemyss Road and POW-MIA Parkway. Tax Parcels: areas on map ED-05-
076.04. Council District 2.
Representative: None
Mrs. Melson-Williams stated that this item was part of the agenda in June 2018 where the Eden
Hill Farm Residential District brought for the Planning Commission’s consideration, a couple of
architectural concepts related to the townhouse units and a proposal for some single family
detached homes in a 55+ community format that would also seek to remove alleys in that
Residential District. After a lengthy discussion at the Planning Commission meeting last month,
the Planning Commission in their motion indicated that Planning Staff should meet with Ryan
Homes prior to this meeting to discuss the application. They actually met with Ryan Homes and
representatives on their design team on Monday, July 9th. They have a path forward that involves
what Planning Staff can consider through an administrative process and that is focusing on the
townhouse area of the community. There are some lot conversions from other unit types to
townhouses that Staff can review through an Administrative Plan review process. With the
discussion ultimately relating to the southern portion of the project where they hoped to do the
55+ community, they came to the conclusion that it in fact will need to be a formal application to
the Planning Commission with a full Public Hearing in order to present a Revised
Implementation Plan for that area of that TND Residential District. Along with that would be any
proposed changes or amendments to the Comprehensive Design Standards Manual also known
as the Pattern Book in order for them to present the concept that they hope to build in that area.
Staff has met with them as requested by the Commission and she thinks that all sides have a clear
understanding of the potential paths forward. At this point, it would be their burden to submit
either administrative plans for review by Planning Staff or a future formal application to bring
back before this body.
Dr. Jones questioned if the builder is on board with the path forward that was discussed at the
meeting. There were some pretty definite statements made at the last Planning Commission
meeting. Responding to Dr. Jones, Mrs. Melson-Williams stated that they met with
representatives of the builder and the potential owner of the development. She is not aware if
they are contractually obligated to the project at this point but Staff provided what the path
forward would be to do something other than what is the recorded plan that is currently on file
with the City.
Mr. Tolbert stated that the spokesman at the last meeting was very adamant about what they
won’t do so he doesn’t know where we are with this application at this point.
Mr. Holt questioned if they think the applicant will come back before the Commission and give
us an idea of what their plans are? Responding to Mr. Holt, Mr. Tolbert stated that they have
heard Mrs. Melson-Williams’ update and they can formally accept that update and wait to see
what happens beyond this.
Dr. Jones moved to accept Report update on MI-18-10 Eden Hill Farm TND Residential
District: Architecture Concept, seconded by Mrs. Welsh and the motion unanimously carried 9-0
by voice vote.
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2) Project for Dover’s 2019 Comprehensive Plan
a. Update on Project Activities
b. Evaluation of 2008 Goals and Recommendations
Mrs. Melson-Williams stated that Staff has been working on the 2019 Comprehensive Plan.
They are getting very close to 100% participation by this board. The Historic District
Commission is also very close to having 100% participation in the evaluation of the 2008 Goals
and Recommendations. If you have not done the online survey that has been active for almost 4
weeks, please do so. They have done some outreach related to housing. Information on the real
estate market was heard last week at Economic Development Committee. There was a discussion
with that and Staff will be doing some follow-up. They did have the meeting in June with the
educational people focusing on economic development. Staff at this point, is really trying to
focus on their assigned chapters because they very shortly need to be writing like crazy.
Mr. Diaz stated that they have 287 survey responses as of this morning.
Mr. Hugg stated that they are going to cut the survey off at the end of July. The Central
Delaware Chamber of Commerce volunteered to do a burst survey distribution for them last
week so he expects to clear the 300 mark quickly. They are getting a lot of good response from
across the community by age and incomes and those kinds of things. They will start analyzing
that information in early August and Staff will be doing some map exercises to look at the
existing plan and identify areas that they want to think a little more about or perhaps do a little
more analysis on. They are making great progress.
Ms. Edwards questioned how we are getting the survey out to the public? Responding to Ms.
Edwards, Mr. Diaz stated that the survey has been distributed a number of ways. They put
physical paper copies in numerous City locations including the Library, the Pitts Center, the
Customer Service Department at Weyandt Hall and City Hall. They also released it by news on
the City’s Facebook page and it’s been echoed by a number of organizations. The currently plan
also for their final push is to advertise it on Dover TV.
Mrs. Melson-William stated that you can get the link to the survey from the City’s website
www.cityofdover.com. Through the Planning Office section there is a page that is specific to the
2019 Comprehensive Plan. You will see some basic information about the project and it includes
the survey link and there is also an email address to send messages to.
Meeting adjourned at 9:22 PM.
Sincerely,
Kristen Mullaney
Secretary
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