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CITY OF DOVER PLANNING COMMISSION
QUARTERLY WORKSHOP
February 22, 2017
The Regular Quarterly Workshop Meeting of the City of Dover Planning Commission was held
on Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 12:00 noon with Chairman Mr. Tolbert presiding.
Members present were Mr. Roach (arrived at 12:11 PM), Mr. Holt, Mr. Baldwin, Ms. Maucher
and Mr. Tolbert. Mr. Holden, Dr. Jones and Mrs. Welsh were absent.
Staff members present were Mrs. Townshend, Mrs. Melson-Williams, Mrs. Harvey, Mr. Diaz
and Mrs. Mullaney.
Also present were Mr. Will Grimes from NCALL Restoring Central Dover, Mr. Rich Vetter
from Dover/Kent County MPO and Mr. David Edgell from the State Planning Office.
Mrs. Townshend stated that she would like to shift the agenda around a little bit so that Mr.
Vetter can do a presentation on the Division Street/Forest Street Capital Gateway Study first.
PRESENTATION ON DIVISION STREET/FOREST STREET DESIGN CHARRETTE &
FINAL PLAN
Mr. Vetter stated that this study was actually completed about this time last year. The purpose of
the study is that they were trying to develop a Land Use Plan and a Master Transportation Plan
for this corridor. This was a joint study by the MPO and the City. There was a consultant that
assisted us in this particular study. When they started, they were looking at from their
perspective, beautification, enhanced streetscape, and enhanced aesthetics on the corridor. They
wanted to develop a land use vision for developers coming in at some point in the future. What is
this corridor going to look like from a sidewalk perspective and from a building façade
perspective? It’s not the prettiest scenery as you come in from the west so they want some kind
of definition that you are actually entering the City of Dover. They also wanted this to be
community driven and he will get into that in a little bit. They wanted a grassroots study and
grassroots recommendations.
Everyone is familiar with the corridor but there is a lot of underutilization. There are vacant
buildings and vacant lots that still remain so there is a lot of potential. There are commercial and
industrial properties available as well in that area. They feel that there is a lot of potential in this
area in the future. There is residential land use mixed with small businesses and just a variety of
uses on the north side in particular. There is no theme. As you are driving you don’t know that
you are entering the City of Dover. It is aesthetically challenged to say the least. For example, on
Loockerman Street you know that you are entering the Downtown area just based on the
landscaping and the beautification that exists. At the Gateway Corridor, you don’t have that.
Mr. Roach arrived at the meeting.
This was actually one of the first studies that they have used a technique called the “charrette.”
Essentially, if you have a typical planning study it could drag on for months or even years. You
have a meeting and then a consultant draws up some alternatives and then you have another
meeting two months later. This process actually condenses all of that into about a week. They did
this in November of last year before Thanksgiving. It’s a very collaborative and very hands-on
process. They had three night meetings. He thinks that it’s a really good community process and
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they will definitely use that method again. It’s a glorified magic marker session but by the end of
the week you have a product that looks like people had a hand in it. The key is the community
vision. He thinks that they developed that community vision certainly through the charrette
process.
During charrette week, they were actually the first gig in the Inner City Cultural League Center.
It was a very nice building and he thinks that is what actually brought the people out. The people
who lived there wanted to see the facility. There were three meetings held on Monday, Tuesday
and Thursday. On Monday night they had the vision from the community. Tuesday night they
were showing alternatives and then Thursday night they were actually showing the final concepts
based on what they heard on Monday. The vision that they heard from the residents was to
reduce the blight and to promote the mixture of uses to include some small scale commercial
uses if possible. This was unanimous between the 30 to 35 people who attended. They wanted to
show some type of definition or landmark from the west in particular. They wanted to increase
businesses, recreational opportunities and open space if possible. He thinks that the community
felt that the main thing from their perspective was to improve public safety. If you just have
more activity, then the public safety component will increase.
As far as transportation on Division Street, parking really wasn’t a major issue. It was brought up
that some areas have more parking than others or more activities than others but it’s not anything
that needs to be addressed. They wanted an enhanced streetscape and walkability; particularly
crosswalks going across Route 8. They also want to improve the walkability to the school. At bus
stops is there a need for benches or just bus shelters; not necessarily more bus stops but just
enhance what already exists.
The main thing that came out of Forest Street was aesthetics. If there is a way to enhance what is
on Loockerman Street and extend that to the west in terms of landscaping, flags and poles to just
kind of clean the streetscape up. This is a DelDOT street and they have a project and design
funding sat aside as part of the roundabout. There is a roundabout that is proposed on
Loockerman Street right in front of the Duncan Center. It has been in their program for a number
of years. They have money set aside for three years from now. He thinks that the design is
getting ready to start so essentially that would be a streetscape along Forest Street.
Mr. Vetter shared pictures of future plans for the area.
Mr. Vetter stated that for Division Street there are four options. Do nothing, a median option, a
bike lane option and then a green space option. A weaving option that was mentioned by the
people at the charrette is not really causing delay or crashes but they heard consent feedback on
that issue about not liking it. They have talked to DelDOT about it but they did not get a
favorable opinion at this point. What we have today is a parking lane, a pretty wide travel lane
and no median. One option would shrink the parking and travel lane and add an eight to ten foot
median strip with some potential landscaping or grass. For beautification it would eliminate the
weave.
Ms. Maucher questioned if it would eliminate the turning lane? Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mr.
Vetter stated that at State Street and Governors Avenue you couldn’t just because the volumes
are too high. They would have to look at New Street and Queen Street volumes to see if that
made sense or if it led to more backups. They have not gotten that far yet.
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Mr. Vetter stated that option three is the bike lane option. What would be proposed is that the
parking be eliminated and replaced with a bike lane. As part of the Senator Bike Lane Project, on
the north side they are going to take out the parking near the Funeral Home and replace it with a
bike lane and a buffer. On the south side, the parking is going to remain. This should be under
construction in the late summer or early fall. The last option is a greenery option. This option
would replace parking with planting strip with trees and landscaping.
This plan was finished last March but it has not been presented to City Council yet. A piece of
this plan is going to be in place by the end of the year; the bike lane west of the tracks.
Mr. Tolbert questioned if there were a lot of dilapidated buildings in that area? Responding to
Mr. Tolbert, Mr. Vetter stated that there are certainly some. They did get into some landuse
options a little bit.
Mrs. Townshend stated that one of things that they did hear from the public is that they wanted
the blighted buildings to be eliminated. That’s one of the challenges that they have. The City has
been very active in their demolition but it takes time. Ideally, they would like for the building
owners to address the issues but in some cases the City just hasn’t had a lot of luck with that.
Mr. Tolbert further questioned if you have to take a building down, doesn’t the City hold the
building owner responsible for that cost? Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mrs. Townshend stated that
when the City demolishes a building they bill it to the property owner and if it’s not paid then
they place a lien against the property. So before the property can transfer, the lien needs to be
satisfied.
Mr. Holt questioned if the property owner still owns the property? Responding to Mr. Holt, Mrs.
Townshend stated yes. If the property owner owes the City money for the demolition, then we
are not going to bring forward a Site Plan or issue any Building Permits are paid.
Mr. Tolbert questioned if the taxes are usually behind on dilapidated buildings? Responding to
Mr. Tolbert, Mrs. Townshend stated that in some cases yes but in some cases, they pay their
taxes.
Ms. Maucher questioned if they can still owe for demolition and be current on their taxes?
Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated yes.
Ms. Maucher furthered questioned if there was no way to force them to pay the demolition fees
through the taxes? Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated that there are a couple of
things. One, if they don’t pay it then we add it to the tax bill so then it does become a tax lien.
Someone must be two years delinquent on your taxes before the City can force you to Sheriff
Sale. We have in the case of at least one property that they can think of; they did enough research
to know that the only liens were the liens held by the City. So they filed a judgement in Court
and were able to force it to Sheriff Sale that way. That lot was purchased by Habitat for
Humanity. If there are other liens in place, then the City can’t do that. If there is a mortgage, the
banks will get paid before the City will.
Mrs. Townshend stated that it’s a challenge. When they do the demolitions, the intent is to
recover as much of that as we can but they certainly can’t recover 100% of what they spend on
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the demolitions. In some cases, they have forgiven liens in order for a property to be transferred
to Habitat for Humanity or to NCALL because certainly the long-term benefit is to make sure
that we get those properties built upon and occupied rather than just getting the money back.
Mr. Roach questioned if the residents on Division Street were complaining about the weaving or
was it just the general residents in Dover? Responding to Mr. Roach, Mrs. Townshend stated that
it was in general but the people who participated seemed to be from the study area. NCALL
helped us with getting the word out so they were able to get the word out to people who owned
property or who lived in this area specifically. She is not sure that they got many residents from
Division Street though.
Mr. Roach stated that his only concern would be if they were more concerned about the weaving
than eliminating the side street parking. If you add a bike path and eliminate the turn lanes, it’s
going to be messy. Sometimes you can’t even get to the turn lane because the street lane is
backed up so much. Responding to Mr. Roach, Mrs. Townshend stated that any modification is
going to have to be reviewed with the DelDOT Traffic staff. There are some things that are
potential options that quite honestly might not be feasible. As we go into implantation mode,
there’s going to have to be approval from DelDOT since it’s a DelDOT road. If you go down
Division Street, one of the things that jumps out at her is that you have blighted buildings but
also the sidewalks really need to be upgraded and the curbing is crumbling. There are a lot of
things that lend themselves to poor aesthetics. She thinks that in looking at this, any
implementation on Division Street is going to be a capital project in DelDOT. We are not talking
next year or the year after; we are talking years away. This gives us that kind of starting point for
the discussion with DelDOT about how we move forward with making Division Street better.
Mr. Roach stated that that was going to be his only other question. If we did eliminate that whole
parking, there are already issues as far as parking down the other side streets.
Mr. Vetter stated that when they talked to DelDOT’s Traffic Division, they didn’t see the
weaving as a problem.
Mr. Roach stated that he didn’t see a problem with the weaving either. That’s why he was
wondering who was complaining about it. Responding to Mr. Roach, Mrs. Townshend stated
that she thinks people would rather go straight then weave.
Mr. Roach stated that it is just accommodating for everyone. People living on Division Street can
park there. The people who are turning have a turn lane. If you remove any aspect of it,
somebody will be inconvenienced even more because you will have residents complaining that
they can’t park in front of their house.
Mr. Edgell questioned if they were proposing to eliminate the parking on this? Responding to
Mr. Edgell, Mrs. Townshend stated that that was one of the options.
Ms. Maucher stated if there was any discussion of undergrounding of utilities? Responding to
Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated that it was something that people want to see. It’s
something that she thinks is probably not financially feasible because you’ve got pretty much all
of the utilities in that area on poles. You would be looking at undergrounding electric, cable and
phone. The cost of that would be a show stopper but it is something that people would like to
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see.
Mr. Holt questioned if the railroads would ever have passenger trains returning? He is thinking
about eliminating traffic by people taking the train like they used to in the past. Responding to
Mr. Holt, Mr. Vetter stated that he can’t speak for DelDOT. They did a study 3 or 4 years ago to
look at passenger rail all the way down to Sussex County and over to Ocean City, Maryland. The
cost of it was just unbelievable.
Mrs. Townshend stated that the lines are there but they are there for transportation cargo. When
you look at transportation for passengers, it significantly changes for what you need in terms of
the lines. The other thing is that we don’t have the population densities to support the cost. That
is the challenge that we have. As things redevelop, it may be something that changes over time
but based on the current population densities and costs of improvements it’s been determined at
this point not to be feasible.
Mrs. Townshend stated that she wanted to thank Mr. Vetter because with the support of the
Dover/Kent County MPO they are able to do a lot of things that we would not be able to do if we
would have to simply rely on our own staff and our own resources. They’ve been the lead on this
and they are also funding. They are the lead on the parking study too. The Dover/Kent County
MPO has been just an incredible support because they are involved in Restoring Central Dover
as well. She wanted to make sure that it was clear that they wouldn’t be able to do half of the
things that they are able to do in terms of planning for infrastructure and what things look like in
the future without their support.
Mr. Vetter stated that the roundabout should be one of the first things.
Mrs. Townshend that again this is in the Capitol Transportation Fund.
Mr. Roach questioned when we would be getting a nice big parking garage Downtown?
Responding to Mr. Roach, Mrs. Townshend stated that parking studies should be done this
summer.
2018 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE
Mrs. Townshend stated that they have asked Mr. David Edgell to come talk about the State
requirements for Comprehensive Plans. She thinks Ms. Maucher is well versed on at this point
because she attended the training. She believes that Dr. Jones was at that training as well. We are
coming up to a period of time where we are going to be updating the Comprehensive Plan and
we have a number of new Planning Commission members so they thought that a good place to
start is at the ground level.
State Requirements
Mr. Edgell stated that he is from Dover and lives in Dover. His first job out of graduate school
was with the City of Dover Department of Planning. He was involved in writing the 1995
Comprehensive Plan for Dover. At that time, the previous plan was a 1986 plan which the
problem with the 1986 plan was not that it was a bad plan but the City didn’t follow through with
that plan in terms of changing zoning. There were all kinds of things happening in the City. Mr.
Holt was there at the time so he probably remembers where people would think that they lived in
a nice single family neighborhood and then all of a sudden a shopping center would pop up right
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on the corner. It wasn’t in the plan but the zoning was there for a shopping center or an
apartment complex or a bowling alley. People were upset about this so they went in a wrote this
plan. The most important thing that they did at that point in time was that they changed the
zoning along with that plan. Everybody thought that they getting in the neighborhoods; there
were no surprises going on. When he left the City of Dover, he worked for the University of
Delaware for a couple of years doing planning mostly in Sussex County and then he went to
work for the State Planning Office about 14 years ago. Dover has been through plan updates in
2003 and in 2008. Now the Comprehensive Plans in Delaware are required by the State Code.
All of the towns, cities and counties have to do plans. The plans are 10 year documents meaning
that they get adopted, certified by the State and then they have to be reviewed every 5 years and
completely updated every 10 years. He thinks that the City’s was adopted last in February 2009.
So, February 2019 is when the new plan must be done, adopted and certified. This 2017 so why
are we even talking about it? With the way the process works this about the right time to start
thinking about what goes on with the plan.
Basically, these plans are supposed to be kept up to date by the cities and towns. Dover does a
really good job of doing that. Your work every day and Planning Commission meetings every
month is one thing and the Planning Staff keeps you up to date with everything else. There have
been most years, an amendment to the Plan. There are tweaks that need to be made on different
areas; there can be changes. Because you are doing that on a rolling basis that counts for the 5-
year review. Now we are into that period of time where the whole plan must be updated. The
State Code does have a whole section of criteria and there are different levels: one for towns
under 2,000 population and then a more strict level for towns over 2,000. Dover certainly
matches the over 2,000 and the Plan that you have now obviously had all of those components in
it. What the update process should be is to use the community, lead by the Planning Commission
and Staff, to kind look through the plan to see what in the document is currently up to date, what
needs to change, what kind of trends have been occurring in the past ten years. Ten years is a
long enough time where what you thought might have happened 10 or 12 years ago may not
have come to fruition or new opportunities could have presented themselves. Ten years ago, you
didn’t have the Downtown Development District, you didn’t have Restoring Central Dover, you
didn’t have the work done on the Route 13 Corridor with the TID’s and you didn’t have the
Division Street Study that we just looked at. There are a lot of things that happened and this is an
opportunity to look at the whole picture as a community and build that into all of the different
plan chapters. He would also say that this is an opportunity to really engage the community and
the residents. This was done eight years ago now and everybody was invited to participate back
then. Here is a good chance to really get back up with the people in the neighborhoods, the
community and the public and talk about what’s going on in Dover and what direction you are
taking.
Tentative Timeline
Mr. Edgell stated that we are going to talk about the timeframe in a minute. If you work back
from February 2019 there is probably four to five months of meetings and hearings that will be
needed once you finalize the plan. It has to be reviewed through a State process called a
Preliminary Land Use Service (PLUS) which is a State review. They look at the Code and make
sure everything is in there that needs to be in there. It would go through the Planning
Commission with any recommendations or changes that are needed and then to City Council for
review and then to the State Planning Office which sends it to the Governor for his certification.
Conservatively saying five to six months would not be too long for that process.
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Mrs. Townshend stated that her recollection is that the last time they were gearing towards final
adoption in January and then there were some things that came up at the public hearing before
City Council and it ended up getting delayed. Somewhere along the process it got delayed
because things came out at a public hearing that Council wanted us to address before they would
adopt the plan. We can come up with the most beautiful schedule ever and it can be pushed back
and then after that it goes through the certification process with the State. It goes through the
PLUS review before adoption.
Mr. Edgell stated that what they have been trying to do with all of the towns and counties, and
they have found it very helpful is to send the plan that you’ve got now through PLUS early as
what they call a Pre-PLUS. Meaning that they send what you’ve got now through the State
agencies through this PLUS process and get their comments at the beginning of this process.
That’s helpful because some of the State agencies have different rules, regulations, programs and
policies that they are going to ask you to incorporate into the plan. This is a way to get all of that
on paper before the Planning Staff even starts drafting things. You will at least know that
DelDOT’s policy on xyz has changed. That could happen at any time; now is not too soon to do
that. He has found it very helpful for the towns who have had it. It gives them a checklist to
make sure they’ve addressed all of these things so when they get to that PLUS review at the very
end it doesn’t delay anything because you have everything covered.
Mrs. Townshend stated that sometimes it’s not necessarily a regulatory change or a
programmatic change; it could be a priority change. As she was recently reading their
Comprehensive Plan, one of the things that became apparent to her is that back when we were
developing this Comprehensive Plan, the Source Water Protection Overlay Zone was a relatively
new State law. We made sure that we dotted the I’s and crossed the T’s on that. She is going to
say that she thinks the section on floodplain is pretty weak because she doesn’t think that we
fully understood our obligation until 2013 when FEMA came in and told us everything that we
were doing wrong. We have since the time of the last Comprehensive Plan, become better
trained on our obligations under the NFIP program but also we have made changes on our level
on how we do things because we’ve become better trained. She was reading the Comprehensive
Plan thinking that we need a much better and stronger section on floodplains. It’s that type of
thing that she thinks the agency review would also help with.
Mr. Edgell stated that the only other thing that he would add is that himself and Mrs. Townshend
have been working with a larger group of people on something called Plan4Health. They have
had a charrette last summer Downtown in the Bayard Building. The whole purpose of this
planning exercise was trying to focus on how to link Public Health and Planning in terms of
active living, getting people to the parks, getting people walking and riding their bikes and also
access to health foods. Making sure that people in the neighborhoods can access health things to
eat as opposed to just going to the convenient store or corner store and getting cheesesteaks. We
are wrapping that up which is probably why Mrs. Townshend was reading the Plan cover to
cover. There is going to be some information available to the City. Basically, what they have
done is read through Dover’s Plan and Kent County’s Plan and will come up with ideas and
guidelines for how that can be improved in Dover’s Plan. There’s a lot in the Plan and a lot of
what Dover has been doing over the years in terms of planning, zoning and development that is
very positive. It’s a great small city. It’s got a lot of the amenities, a lot of sidewalks and parks,
and schools and everything for the most part is connected at least Downtown. How do you make
it better? How do you change your focus? For an example, when we were in the Downtown area
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he was looking at it with some different eyes. He has lived here all of his life and he has been
Downtown a lot. He wasn’t thinking about if he lived in this neighborhood, where would he go
to get groceries if he didn’t have a car? Of course, the answer is not walking because it’s too far
to get to the highway. Transit is certainly an option but that takes a while. Where would he be
most likely to get his food? There is Family Dollar, The Grocery Basket, The Fulton Market, etc.
Near Lincoln Park people can walk across the street to Food Lion. This opened his eyes to see
that people living in this area really wouldn’t have anywhere to go except for those stores. Could
we make it better for the people to get to the food markets?
Mrs. Townshend stated that in talking to people, there are a lot of people who do their grocery
shopping at Family Dollar if they don’t have a vehicle. You are not going to get fruits and
vegetables there.
Mr. Edgell stated that when you look at the health aspect, that source is okay if you are just
getting a snack but if that’s your main meal everyday it leads to other problems.
Mr. Tolbert stated that we make provisions for bicycle lanes and other things but people like him
and Mr. Holt, they are not going to ride their bicycles anywhere. What he is getting at is, take a
look at the bus routes in this town. They need to be looked at because they are not adequate in
his opinion. A lot of people have to walk a distance to get to the bus stops and then they have to
walk a good distance to where ever they are going once they get off of the bus. Responding to
Mr. Tolbert, Mr. Edgell stated that they heard that loud and clear. DelDOT was a part of the
group that was involved in this. They heard a lot about the condition of sidewalks. There are
sidewalks everywhere especially in the Downtown but they are not always in the greatest shape.
They had one woman in a wheel chair saying that she couldn’t get to the bus stop because the
sidewalk is cracked and there is no ramp where she lived. These are barriers and he knows that
the City has had many years of programs with the ADA and working on the sidewalks and
DelDOT does that whenever they come in. But this highlights that point; is the transit accessible?
Can you get from your home or business to the transit? They have challenges in Dover because
we don’t have that density or concentration of people to have a well-integrated transit system.
Wilmington, DE probably has the best or the densest transit system. There is a system in
Newark, DE, in Dover, DE and there is one that sort of works at the beach during the summer.
We have nothing but work to do to make it more convenient for people.
Mr. Tolbert stated that an adequate transportation system might reduce the need for automobiles.
Mr. Holt stated that he takes DART a lot and he sees a lot of people grocery shopping. Normally,
the driver will get out and help the person with the groceries and put the cart on the bus and then
also help get them back in the cart when they get off. Responding to Mr. Holt, Mr. Edgell stated
that Mr. Holt is mostly talking about ParaTransit. That’s definitely an option for people.
Mr. Holt stated that it’s $4 each way now. Responding to Mr. Holt, Mr. Edgell stated that he
doesn’t have the numbers in his head exactly but the cost of the ParaTransit system is far more
expensive than the actual bus service that we’ve got throughout the State. Ideally, we would have
a bus service that’s better than it is now so that people don’t need to take a ParaTransit van to get
to their destination.
Mr. Holt stated that the ParaTransit is going through a survey right now to make sure that
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everyone is still qualified or can they take the bus. Responding to Mr. Holt, Mr. Edgell stated
that the Transit Corporation is constantly re-evaluating their routes. He knows that it’s not
perfect but they just did a service change not too long ago. They are working on one for the
summer and taking input. To the extent that they can, they will try to improve with the resources
that they have.
Mrs. Harvey questioned is there has been discussion about possibly getting jitneys? They have
them in Atlantic City and they run up and down. If they cost less then it would be more feasible.
Responding to Mrs. Harvey, Mr. Edgell stated not that he was aware of. But he will say that the
University of Delaware is doing a study of the ParaTransit issue but it’s kind of morphed into a
mobility issue. How do we all get around? That’s the kind of discussion that has come up. It’s
also come up from an economic development standpoint and a tourism standpoint in terms of if
you’re in an area, wouldn’t it be great if we had a circulator running through Downtown? He
could jump on at his office which is located by Legislative Hall and he could be dropped off on
Loockerman Street. He would know that every ten or fifteen minutes that it’s going to come
around again to pick him up. He doesn’t know if it would be something that the State would fund
but it’s certainly something that local governments could be involved in. He has spent a lot of
time in Maryland in a little town called Rock Hall. It’s a little tiny place but they have a lot of
restaurants and tourists. They bought two Jeeps and they tow these trams that hold eight to ten
people and they constantly drive around the town in the summer. You pay $1.00 and you get to
ride around town getting pulled by the Jeep. It’s not that expensive and the place is spread out so
it’s the only way to get the tourists from the restaurant to the hotel to the beach or wherever. He
thinks it’s a good idea.
Ms. Maucher questioned if the City regulated taxi services? Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mr.
Edgell stated that he believes that it is a State level thing. For Ubers, DelDOT is overseeing that
but he thinks that they do have some legislation that allows the Ubers and Lyfts. In the
transportation world, everything is kind of changing very rapidly. We were just talking about
jitneys and the ride sharing services but of course you’ve got to have a cell phone and a credit
card. The question is how is that going to change the taxi industry and make that more realistic.
You’ve got private transportation providers which are not well coordinated now. This mobility
project has kind of shown that. Are there places that have vans that could be used to get other
people who need to get places here and there? He would say that in the next five to ten years, his
prediction would be that there would be driverless cars. Maybe in ten years time, could Dover
afford to buy two or three electric vans that drive around town and pick people up when they call
them? To him that is science fiction but everything that he reads says that it’s coming soon than
they would probably think.
Ms. Maucher stated that the challenge would be how willing are people to give up their cars.
Mr. Edgell stated that he thinks that these things, at least in the short term, are not going to
replace people owning a car if you can afford to own a car. But he thinks that it’s going to be in
towns and cities where there is enough population where these things are going to be on-demand.
You don’t own it; you just pay for a ride.
Mr. Holt stated that he has heard that same thing. Even garages are going to be extra rooms for
people because you won’t own a car anymore. Responding to Mr. Holt, Mr. Edgell stated that it
could be the long range where you don’t own a car; you would just call one when you needed
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one.
Ms. Maucher stated that it would reduce traffic death injury, decrease health care costs and
increase road capacity.
Mr. Edgell stated that you were talking about a parking garage. What if all of sudden not as
many people drove and had to park their cars in the Downton because they are calling for a ride
from an electric cab that comes to pick them up and drop them off?
Mr. Baldwin stated that they have heard a lot about long-range planning. Are there any plans for
short term fixes? Like for instances, if you go from the railroad tracks to State Street and you
walk the sidewalks there are several places in that span where the electric poles are sitting in the
middle of the sidewalks. People with their electric scooters can’t get past. To him, those would
be short term fixes that would help a lot. Responding to Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Edgell stated that that
is called the low-hanging fruit; the things that we can take care of now.
Mrs. Townshend stated that unfortunately she doesn’t know that it’s a short term fix because the
question is do you move the pole or do you move the sidewalk. She thinks that it would come
with a larger project.
Mr. Edgell questioned if the Division Street Project would address some of those things?
Responding to Mr. Edgell, Mrs. Townshend stated yes.
Mr. Edgell stated that the answer would be that you need a study like Mr. Vetter showed and
then it goes through DelDOT and then it would be wrapped into a larger project to fix the stretch.
Mrs. Townshend stated that she thinks the Capital Gateway is the start and then maybe the next
thing that we discuss that when the MPO does its Transportation Improvement Plan it could be a
matter of putting Division Street improvements into that and then trying to get it into DelDOT’s
Capital Transportation Plan. With the State’s financial challenges, it’s really hard to get anything
into the Capital Transportation Plan but that’s where it needs to start. She doesn’t think that there
is an opportunity to do something on a short-term basis because one it’s a DelDOT road so it’s
out of the City’s control. Part of the problem is that it’s not accessible now; once they touch it,
they are required to bring it to current standards. They can’t just make it better.
Mr. Edgell stated that let’s just say it’s a City street. Could the City go in under its ADA program
and just take care of that problem? Is there a budget to fix some of those things? Responding to
Mr. Edgell, Mrs. Townshend stated that there is not. It would be done under the Street Program.
So it would have to be something that would be looked at through that program with other
sidewalk projects.
Mr. Edgell stated that that’s good information. It sounds very long range but he thinks between
the City and DelDOT process we can work to address it.
Mr. Holt stated that it seems like there is a big increase in the homeless population. He has seen
them outside places when it’s been really cold. He believes that homeless people are coming in
from other places. He doesn’t know if there is any answer to it but can we get them into a special
shelter of some kind. He knows that some of them don’t want to be in a shelter and they like that
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kind of life. He thinks that a lot of them have mental problems and need some guidance. They
shouldn’t be right on the street because he thinks that it just detracts from the City. Responding
to Mr. Holt, Mr. Edgell stated that he didn’t know the answer to that and he was probably not the
right person to address that. He doesn’t know if Mrs. Harvey has seen it through CDBG.
Mrs. Townshend stated that the Mayor has a blue ribbon panel that is reviewing the issue of
homelessness and what we can do. NCALL is involved as well so that panel is supposed to be
coming forward with recommendations.
Mr. Holt wondered if you can get them in some kind of centralized location that’s safe and if
they are willing to do it and not just have them spread out all over the City. A lot of the homeless
people have signs that say they are looking for work.
Mr. Edgell stated that he was encouraged about this blue ribbon panel, that the City was trying to
address it in a holistic way. As a City resident he is glad that’s happening. From a
Comprehensive Plan standpoint, he is not sure how to address it from that but he thinks that in
the housing and the overall scheme of making sure there are affordable places to live throughout
the City for everybody is one way.
Mr. Holt stated that a lot of the churches have stepped up. They do a lot with Code Purple. But
that is only part of the problem.
Mr. Tolbert stated that there are some laws that have to be dealt with in regards to moving
homeless people off the street. One of the things is that if they are not a danger to themselves or
to anyone else, can anyone force them to move? Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mrs. Townshend
stated that they can’t.
Ms. Maucher questioned if there is a formal process that has to go to public comment?
Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated that the State requirement is that is goes to
PLUS and has a public hearing before the Planning Commission.
Ms. Maucher questioned if that was an APA type procedure? Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs.
Townshend stated no.
Mr. Edgell stated that any kind of comment would be as per Dover’s ordinances. It’s not in the
State statute. With that being said, it’s always a very good idea to develop the draft plan, then
Planning Commission will vote to release to the public for review and comment and then send it
to PLUS at the same time. The public has a 30-45 day window to look at it, read it, come into to
talk to the Planning Staff to ask questions and then when the next hearing is held you will have
the comments from the State but also the people coming to the hearing have read the plan. If
there are questions, they can be addressed at this time. They may have been able to follow up
with Planning Staff to get the answers. That’s always a really good process.
Ms. Maucher questioned if the Planning Commission needs to approve? Responding to Ms.
Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated that the Planning Commission will need to make a
recommendation to City Council on the adoption of the Comprehensive Plan. The Planning
Commission will review a draft and like Mr. Edgell said, that will be out for public review and
then there will be a public hearing and then a recommendation to City Council. The Commission
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will be involved throughout.
Mr. Edgell stated that the key part of it is that the Planning Commission is the key main body
that supposedly develops the plan. Everything comes through the Commission, to the public and
then to City Council. The role is definitely written in that the Planning Commission is involved.
PLANNING COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND CONCERNS
Mrs. Townshend stated that Mr. Tolbert wanted to talk about quorums at meetings. We have
been a little close a few times.
Mr. Tolbert stated that there was one time during a Planning Commission hearing when we
didn’t have a quorum. That bothers him. As a Commission of professionals, when we have a
professional come in to make their presentation and at that time they find out that there is not a
quorum so they can’t conduct a hearing that looks bad on our part. Is there something that we
can do to assure that when a hearing is scheduled, there will be at least a quorum present to
conduct a hearing? It is professionals that are coming before the Commission most of the time
and we should present ourselves as professionals.
Mr. Holt stated that when this happens everything is delayed a month.
Mrs. Townshend stated that this did happen last year. At that point, we had one of the
Commissioners regularly not attending the meeting. That Commissioner is no longer on the
Commission. We talked as we brought new members on the Commission about the importance
of attendance and the importance of communication. If you know that you are not going to make
it to a meeting, let Planning Staff know as soon as you know. If it begins to look concerning,
then they will make calls to make sure that they have a quorum. She will say that she was also
concerned because until last week we had eight members on a nine member Commission. Now
we have nine appointed members so that will help us as well. She thinks that with some of the
new people coming on the Commission and now having a full Commission and as long as the
Commissioners let staff know as soon as they are aware that they can’t make it then she thinks
that we should be in good shape. There was a time where we didn’t have five members present
and then there have been a few times when we only had five members present.
Ms. Maucher questioned if the Ordinance allows for remote participation? Responding to Ms.
Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated no.
Mr. Holt stated that he has mentioned to Mrs. Townshend before to see if they could have former
Planning Commission members on standby that could sit in on the meetings. Responding to Mr.
Holt, Mrs. Townshend stated that she thinks that becomes a challenge in that there’s a very clear
process and if you only participate every six months when there’s an issue then it becomes a
challenge. With the new appointees, she thinks that we are in good shape. She thinks that they
should just continue to monitor it. If something happens and a Commissioner can’t make it, Staff
just needs to know as soon as possible.
Mr. Holt stated that they get plenty of notice so everyone should be able to get their calendars in
line and at least call. Responding to Mr. Holt, Mrs. Townshend stated at least do it before the
meeting. At this point, people are paying their engineers to be there so we are driving up the cost
that way.
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Ms. Maucher questioned if there was an alternate date? Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs.
Townshend stated that the problem is that the public notice requires a fifteen day notification.
When we didn’t have a quorum, they looked to see if there was a way to do it. But by the time
you got the public notice, they were only a week ahead of the next scheduled meeting. She thinks
that we just need to continue to stress the importance of attendance and keep an eye on it.
DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND INSPECTIONS UPDATE
Summary of 2016 Applications
Mrs. Melson-Williams stated that in the packet was a Summary Table of the 2016 Applications.
They have the last two years broken out by quarter and by type of application. For 2016, we have
a total of eighty-three applications that appeared either before one of the boards or commissions
or may have been an administrative or information type item. That is a higher trend then the past
couple of years. Certainly not the volume that we were seeing in 2006 or 2007 but some of our
processes have changed since that timeframe. You’ve seen a steady number of applications
before you at each meeting. Last night there was intention to be two applications but if someone
doesn’t complete the public notice they can’t come before the Commission; so, we ended up with
one application. The types of applications are very similar through the years too. We tend to see
more Site Plan applications and some Conditional Uses. We are not seeing subdivisions of land
for residential development like we used to because we are still building out stuff that’s been on
the books for years.
Mrs. Townshend stated that the stuff that we are seeing for the most part is continuing to move
forward.
Mrs. Melson-Williams stated that the other thing that’s happened with some of the changes in
2011 is that action by the Planning Commission grants a two year timeframe to take action.
Previously, it was a year so we kept seeing all of these extensions. Now, the applicants get two
years to finalize their plans and start construction and then they can ask for another one year
extension. We are seeing projects that when they come in they are ready to go and keep moving
forward and actually be built. You are not seeing the number of extensions that was previously
the case. One reason being that they moved the length to two years instead of one year but also
the marketplace. If somebody is investing in that much of a process to get an application filed
and through the review, they are moving through to construction.
Ms. Maucher stated that in looking at the grocery store on Route 13 and the Traffic Impact Study
wasn’t been done yet; was that a timing issue? Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend
stated that they are doing it concurrently. At that point, they had the draft into DelDOT and they
just didn’t have the review comments from DelDOT.
Ms. Maucher questioned if that application was going to come back to the Commission?
Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated no, the motion was an approval but they
are going to have to comply with whatever DelDOT tells them to do.
Ms. Maucher stated that there is no requirement that the TIS be with the application. Responding
to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated no.
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Ms. Maucher stated that with some of these larger projects that has a huge impact on her
decision. Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend that there have been times in areas
where there are traffic issues where the Planning Commission has postponed a decision until
that’s in. That’s certainly within the purvue. But she thinks that some of these sites are a little bit
constrained. At the end of the day, they will have to do what DelDOT tells them in order to get
access to a DelDOT road. New Castle County has a concurrency ordinance where their Code
doesn’t allow them to approve something if an intersection is failing. We don’t have anything
like that in the Code.
Ms. Maucher questioned if we were going to go in that direction? Responding to Ms. Maucher,
Mrs. Townshend stated that she doesn’t think there is a chance that it would go through an
elected body here. Our economic environment is different than it is upstate. The traffic and the
congestion issues are worse upstate than it is here. She thinks that the mindset here is much more
pro-growth and pro-business.
Ms. Maucher stated that there can’t be growth just for the sake of growth. It has to be quality of
living also. Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated but the concurrency
requirements can pretty much shut everything down so it’s that balance.
Research Activities
Update on Research for Ordinance Amendments
Mrs. Townshend stated that they have a couple of research projects for ordinance amendments.
Some of that has slowed significantly since Mr. Cook left. Mr. Diaz has done quite a bit of
background research on updates to our residential zones.
1. Residential Zones
Mr. Diaz stated that one of the major changes that will go in the update is that we don’t currently
have in our Zoning Ordinance regulations for group homes other than those that are permitted by
the State and have to be allowed. We are looking to ways for regulating those. There are
different kinds of group homes so we have to see if there is a need to treat them different or if it
would be better to treat them all the same. They are looking at updates to the home occupations.
Currently, there is a division between professional home offices and customary home
occupations. That distinction is a bit archaic so they are trying to roll those into one thing. The
third major one is also looking at apartments. Right now there is a definition in our Code for
garden apartments which is also a bit archaic and then there is this issue of residential
conversions which is mostly subtle but they need to look again at which zones they are allowed
in. The idea is that overall they would regulate apartments more on number of units and height
rather than the perceived type of apartment.
2. Supplementary Regulations
Mrs. Townshend stated that she and Mr. Cook were working on the Supplementary Regulations
and nothing has really happened since Mr. Cook left. They had gotten to the point of going
through the Supplementary Regulations not including the Sign Regulations because that is a
whole animal in itself because based on recent Supreme Court decision it needs a thorough
update. They have kind of looked at it as what is the purpose of this? What is it trying to
achieve? Is it achieving it? Does it need to be updated or removed? There are some things in the
Supplementary Regulations that have probably been there since 1968 that may not serve a good
purpose today. They started looking at those issues but they didn’t get to the point of drafting.
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The Supplementary Regulations is kind of like all of those little miscellaneous things that
sometimes cause us problems. For instance, you have seen a few things that go to the Planning
Commission that otherwise Staff could do administratively because they need a curbing waiver.
Is there the ability to allow that administratively based on certain criteria? They have size of
dumpster pads and size of dumpster enclosures and they are not consistent. The number of
dumpster pads and enclosures is based on the size of the facility. There are so many things that
can affect how many dumpster pads you need; mainly, how often you get your trash picked up.
Do we need to be as prescriptive on those things or should we just make it clear that you have to
have some degree of prescriptiveness but then have some degree of flexibility that if you don’t
handle your trash you are going to get fined. Now obviously you need to be able to make sure
that you don’t leave them to where they can’t manage their trash. There needs to be some
standard but right now it doesn’t really make sense. There are a lot of little things that have just
been there forever that just need to be reviewed. In the past fifty years, the objectives may have
changed. That is kind of the eye that they are using to look at the Supplementary Regulations but
at this point it’s not on schedule because they don’t have the staff to do it.
Current Studies and Projects
Transportation Improvement District
Mrs. Townshend stated that as she reported last time they talked, the ball is in DelDOT’s court
and has been for well over a year; probably close to two years now. She is not sure where that
stands. What she has been told when she asks is that the modeling staff is working on the
modeling. She thinks they need to go back to DelDOT and ask if they are doing it or not. The
idea of the Transportation Improvement District is that you wouldn’t have to do a TIS for every
project on Route 13 because they would have this master study that they could calculate the
developer’s contribution. She thinks that DelDOT just doesn’t have the staff to get the work done
that they’ve committed to. She thinks that they are probably at the point now where they need to
ask if it’s realistic.
Regional Bicycle Plan
Mr. Tolbert questioned if we had a Bike Plan? Responding to Mr. Tolbert, Mrs. Townshend
stated that we have a City of Dover Bicycle Plan and a City of Dover Pedestrian Plan. The MPO
is working on a County-wide regional plan that will connect some things going on in Dover to
things surrounding.
Mr. Diaz stated that the Committee for formulating that plan has been meeting monthly down at
the Camden Town Hall. So far, the tasks that have been finished are identifying and prioritizing
new on-road and off-road bicycle routes. In addition to that what they will be doing is making
recommendations to DelDOT for some new signage that would be on some existing routes.
There is also some overall general recommendations on how to make bicycle lanes safer and
more attractive in the County and how to make it more widely available to people of different
age groups and a number of other recommendations along those lines. Those would be directed
towards the specific agencies like the City of Dover or the Kent County MPO for
implementation. The process is on track to be finished this summer. He believes that they will be
able to finish writing up the plan shortly afterwards.
Mr. Holt stated that some of these bike paths on the highway have a little white picture of a guy
riding a bike, they look sort of dangerous. He rides a bike once in a while and he doesn’t know if
he would want to ride a bike in some of those places on the highway. There are a lot of crazy
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drivers. Responding to Mr. Holt, Mrs. Townshend stated that there has been a lot of discussion
whether that’s been the right thing to do when they did the recent surfacing of Route 13. They
narrowed the travel lane to add bike lanes on the edges. The issue was that whether or not we
want people to they are riding bikes on Route 13. The idea wasn’t to encourage people to ride on
Route 13 but to make it safer for those who are. She thinks it’s being met with mixed results
because some people are very concerned that it’s trying to encourage people and that the affect
that it has is encouraging people to ride in an area where we really shouldn’t be encouraging
people to ride.
Mr. Tolbert stated that people are getting hit on bicycles.
Mr. Holt stated that he tries to stay as far away from the traffic as he can and even ride the
opposite way so that he can see what’s coming. There are a lot of inebriated drivers that make it
even worse.
Mrs. Townshend stated that DelDOT does have standards but on State roads they are the
authority.
Mr. Diaz stated that there has been some discussion at the Bicycle Pedestrian Subcommittee
about an off-road alternative along Route 13; it will go through some of the parking lots. That is
going to be one of the recommendations of the MPO’s plan.
Mr. Holt stated that it sounds like a better option to him then to fight with the traffic.
Ms. Maucher questioned if you would need permission from the property owner in order to do
that? Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated yes, it can’t just be done. There is a
segment of Route 13 where there is actually public workshop coming up for sidewalks. She
thinks that they decided instead of doing just a five foot sidewalk they are going to do a multi-
use path. She thinks it’s being held on March 29, 2017 at 4:00PM at Frontline Ministries. It’s a
US 13 Sidewalk Improvements Public Workshop. This will be a good place to put concerns on
the record.
Mr. Holt stated that they can even do an elevated area for when a car goes over it would feel the
bump or have rumble strips that would alert the driver.
Updates of Program and Plan Activities
Downtown Development District Program/Restoring Central Dover Community
Plan
Mr. Will Grimes from NCALL thanked everyone for allowing him to attend this meeting.
Normally, he sees the results of your great planning but being able to sit at the table with you is
wonderful. We are constantly doing things to revitalize the community. He heard them talking
about the community garden that they are going to be doing. They are in collaboration with
Wesley College. They are just applying for an Arts Grant. They noticed that in the study that
they did they didn’t have anything for the arts. They are now trying to go after an Arts Grant so
that they can utilize the arts in the economic development and the revitalization of the central
Dover area.
The old recycle building, is that privately owned? Responding to Mr. Grimes, Mrs. Townshend
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stated yes.
Mr. Grimes questioned the building next to it? Responding to Mr. Grimes, Mrs. Townshend
stated that the building south of the old recycle building she believes is owned by Mr. Burden.
Mr. Grimes stated that the building that he is referring to is right next to the old Terrapin
Recycling building; it looks like it might have been a gas station. Responding to Mr. Grimes,
Mrs. Townshend stated that she wasn’t sure. They haven’t gotten any sense that people are
looking to do anything in those areas. The properties are zoned M (Manufacturing Zone). It’s
certainly something that could be looked at in the Comprehensive Plan about whether there is a
better use for that property in the future if people are interested in redeveloping.
Mr. Grimes stated that they are definitely interested in both places. Responding to Mr. Grimes,
Mrs. Townshend stated that unfortunately they don’t have a sense of what is going on with those
properties.
Mrs. Townshend stated that NCALL and Habitat are very active right now in constructing new
homes in the Downtown. We see that as one of the key components of restoring the community
because where there were blighted buildings or overgrown lots, we are starting to see owner
occupied homes and that’s a good thing.
Mr. Holt stated that it’s good to have people there that care about keeping up on the property.
Responding to Mr. Holt, Mrs. Townshend stated that where they are building they are not just
building one or two houses; it’s multiple houses per block so that it’s having that kind of more
impact affect.
Ms. Maucher questioned if the homes that are boarded up have been condemned? Responding to
Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated that some have been condemned but not all of them have
gotten to the point of having gone before City Council. They prefer not to board them but the
problem that we are having is people are getting in and doing things that they don’t want people
doing inside the homes. Keeping them boarded keeps people out.
Mr. Holt questioned if skateboard parks have been talked about? Dover used to have a nice
skateboard park near Cheswold but that’s been twenty years ago. Responding to Mr. Holt, Mrs.
Townshend stated that we just completed and it’s going through the City Council process for a
Master Plan for Schutte Park and that would have a skate park. That would be in one of the out
years so it’s probably a few years away.
Mr. Holt stated that in those parks you could put a store there and someone could sell skateboard
and wheels. Whoever does that will be adding another business in the City. This would get a lot
of skateboards off of the street. Responding to Mr. Holt, Mrs. Townshend stated that she
suspects that as they do additional park plans that they will be looking at additional areas for
skateboards as well.
Planning Staff Priorities for 2017
Mrs. Townshend stated that they have pretty much gone over the Staff priorities. There is just a
lot going on and they are trying to keep up with it.
EDUCATION AND TRAINING OPPORTUNITES
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Mrs. Townshend stated that in the packet there was notification of upcoming training
opportunities with the Institute for Public Administration. The next one is next Friday so if
anyone is interested please let Staff know.
IPA Planning Education Series 2017
Planning 103: Land-Use and Development Administration to be held March 3, 2017,
9am to Noon at Paradee Center
Planning 203: Advanced Land-Use and Development Administration to be held
March 24, 2017, 9am to Noon at Paradee Center
OPEN DISCUSSION
Ms. Maucher stated that she has a question about Administrative Plans. When is a voice vote
required versus when a roll call vote is required? Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend
stated that the voice vote was just because it was a motion to table; it wasn’t taking action on it.
Ms. Maucher questioned if a polling of each member is necessary for all of these applications?
Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated that we used to do a voice vote and she
thinks it was after discussion with legal counsel that they had recommended that we have the
reasons on the record in case anything does get challenged that we have the record that supports
the decision.
Ms. Maucher stated that she was wondering if there weren’t items that could be moved to a
consent agenda for a voice vote. Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated that
potentially they could do extensions on a consent agenda.
Ms. Maucher stated for a curb waiver, if Staff recommends it there is really no need for the voice
vote. Responding to Ms. Maucher, Mrs. Townshend stated that she would want to get legal
feedback on that before we did anything like that. It is certainly something that they could look at
because things like that are pretty standard.
Ms. Maucher stated that it something was on consent agenda they could always pull it off to
discuss the matter.
Meeting adjourned at 1:39 PM
Sincerely,
Kristen Mullaney
Secretary
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